Brewology

ok few questions for you guys

position on abortion? - prochoice

position on stem cell research? - yes

position on cloning? totally want to be cloned

favorite position?

I suspect this thread will get locked if it turns into another theological debate. I say this as a warning to readers and potential posters.

Abortions are necessary at times but should NEVER be used as an alternative to birth control. No woman should be able to justify multiple abortions.

I am all for stem cell research because it has the potential to cure disease and save lives. Stem cells can be taken from several sources not just from a sacrificed fetus.

I have no issues with cloning. Clone whatever you like trees, sheep, people it makes no difference to me. I do not see an issue with eating cloned food.

I believe that movies like the 6th day are complete fantasy and that clones on that level will never exist. If I am cloned I will still be me. A clone would have to go through exactly the same experiences as me to be me. If my liver or my heart quits or if I cough up a lung I like the idea that I can have "parts" on standby.

Yea...I'm going to say now if anyone says anything other then what they believe or anything offensive then I will lock it. If you guys can state your beliefs like adults then I will keep it as long as any other staff member doesn't care.

I think it's all wrong. I'm sure there might be times when Abortions are really wanted or needed or something, but that's still a baby and I think it's wrong to kill them. Just like killing a regular human in my eyes. Same goes for stem cell research, don't think it's right either to kill babies. And I don't think cloning is right either. The more we advance the more it seems to me scientist's are trying to become God. They think they will have to power to do whatever they want and control peoples lives. But I guess it doesn't matter what we think people will always disagree and even if a lot of people disagree, I'm sure they will still clone animals and all that good stuff.

well the world is getting very densly populated and i believe eventually humans are going to bust just like every other creature that reaches this number. you see with bugs and animals that as soon as they reach a certain level of over population nature balances it out somehow. so for abortion i agree with que that it can be necessary but never as an alternative to birth control. more people should adopt then actually have MORE kids.

stem cells are very amazing. i think its incredible that most terrible things can be cured with them. but thinking on a global level the longer we live the more people there are. but i feel if i had a disease i'd likely want it cured any way possible.

as for cloning. i think we shouldnt use people as livestock. if we clone anyone it should be powerful influencial leaders. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mother Theresa and see if the traits of those great minds are made by nature or nurture.

and yes please keep it civil i like being able to have conversations.

I won't comment on abortion because I am tired of the debate. It just is.

Stem cells are pretty cool, I work in a research facility that has some stem cell labs. There are new methods of tricking skin cells into reverting to useful stem cells that should hopefully do away with the ethical debate. This will help burn victims immediately and will help us examine what stem cells might be able to do. The media is really exaggerating the current effectiveness of SC treatments. The possibilities are pretty cool though.

Cloning has a pretty bad rap. I think, again, the effects and reality of cloning are so blown out that the average person will never get it unless you explain it to them in an ultra-simple manner. The idea of using cloned food products is pretty awesome if you ask me. It will really allow us to design the animal product and keep the genetic lines viable.

$0.02

i agree with all these....
hope one day people become intelligent enough to see how much use these are.

When your best friend gets his neck broken in football and cant walk and you just see him in so much pain, i think you would want stem cell research too.

ace will see how it goes... lol!

Abortion.. well there are special circumstances such as rape and all. But why else would you even surmount to using abortion? If you didn't use protection or you didn't use the pill, then you should take the responsibility. I guess if the child wouldn't have what it needs in the family, like really poor and no money, can't buy food or clothing then maybe. But how would you pay for an abortion like $300 - $5000 dollars depending on the trimester.

Stem cells, well i guess it is suppose to be meant for good, to help develop the human body and learn about all of its puzzles and determine cures and stuff. But idk too much about it.

And cloning, I say NO on human cloning. OK for food, and animals-ones going extinct. Or in dire need to have more of that animal or something. If they can perfect it enough to clone cows and stuff, but it is just a waste of money when you can just get cows to mate, it's not that hard. But I definitely don't think we should clone humans, its not right. Countries could take advantage and make a super clone-army!

Human Cloneing... Ok so what my view on this is picture this.. You are a clone of a person, and he wants you incase his kidney fails, or he needs some sort of transplant or something.. You would grow up your whole life knowing that if something goes wrong with this person hes going to use you, then just forget about you.

que13x says basically what im saying im agenst:P hes saying that he would like the idea that he can have "parts" avalable for him... Thats just not right, killing what would be someone for yourself? im agesnt that

Killing babys/people of ANY kind is wrong, therefore im aganst abortion 100%

Stem Cells... Im probalby 75% aganst.. If scientists can find AMAZING cures useing stem cells thats GREAT! but again its kinda killing a person..

Light alistor....Farquezy.... I know we are in the general chat but i do not appreciate the topics yall have been starting. It is to much controversy and can offend people.

I dont approve of it. Take it or leave it. Just dont bring it over to xboxbrew.

i apologize if ive caused any undue stress. im genuinely interested because we were talking about it in my survey social studies class

TRUE STORY

When I was 17 I got a 19 year old high school girl pregnant. She told me she was on the pill but that is another story... Anyways she had a tubal pregnancy. For those that may not know, that means the fertilized egg implanted itself in her fallopian tube instead of her uterus like it was supposed to. She had to abort or else she would have lost her life and my first child regardless. I think the Abortion was justified although at the time I was willing to do everything I could to be responsible for the baby that would have been on its way. I would still do whatever I could to convince her to keep it if it would not kill her but would respect her decision whatever it would be. If that is unacceptable to some then consider cases of pregnancies via rape, there are pills and herbs that cause a woman to reject a fertilized egg within days of conception when the egg barely has enough cells to have a brain or a heart. In the end it is the woman and her body that have to contend with that pregnancy/abortion and its consequences and no one else.

I want to reiterate that I find birth control abortions disgusting and criminal.

Anyhow, I do not know what happened to the aborted fetus that I was responsible for; my guess is that It probably got incinerated. I and I think many others would feel better if those cells contributed to helping heal others, that would be something worth while wouldn't it?

Perhaps someday cloning will make it so that aborted fetuses would not be a possible source for stem cells (There are umbilical and placental sources as well). Until then, We will just have to wait and see.

To clarify my post on the cloning I never said that any sentient clone of myself had to die in order for me to live. I think "parts" can be cloned as just that, parts. Scientists have altered a mouses DNA to grow an ear on its back, if that could be removed and used to replace mine (in case I ever got done like "Malchus" ( John 18:10 ) ) I would be all the happier for it. I do not know if the mouse would have to be sacrificed in order for this to happen. If mice were not in a lab for research they would be food for something or other anyways.

I know some feel that the topics that have been coming up have been too controversial and that might be true but I think it is best to discuss them in a civil manner and present different views. Keeping the populace ignorant is the best method of control. Hitler for example ordered book burnings for this very reason. Be informed and get involved but most importantly stand up for what YOU believe in.

Everyone bold enough to post has my complete respect regardless of position. Step forward and be heard!

Xbox brew is all but dead, I think we should pay a visit!! (j/k) No seriously, visit but don't piss off the mods.

well said... it's mostly just the religion ones, but people also seem offended by these.

Abortion = Ok in some situations like que13x stated. Rape, life or death matters etc.

Cloning = Although it would be cool to go out on the town with another me. It's wrong to clone people. Animals is ok because it means less animals need to be born for food. same goes for plants, we clone them and then no more need for growing. The only bad thing with cloning is if say one sheep is alergic to say... a bee's sting then all the clones will be aswell.

Stem cells = Don't know what a stem cell is. Sounds like it's all about messing with cells and stuff. All I can say on this matter is... I Am Legend.

Me = I rule, and you know it ;D.

no offense but if topics like these offend you then you are a 2-year-old immature baby that needs to grow up....
who gets offended by things people right over the internet? wow grow up people