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Prisoners and health care

Posted:
Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:52 pm
by que13x
I recently learned that prisoners essentialy receive unpaid healthcare benefits from the state.
Considering the amount of law abiding citizens that do not have health care, do you think this is fair?

Posted:
Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:03 pm
by crait
Why shouldn't they be?
Think about this:
An old guy who owns a little store gets charged with tax evasion and is sent to a white-collar prison and because of that he can't have access to the special medical care he needs because he can't buy anything outside of the prison. If he got arrested for tax evasion without even realizing he did something wrong or put a zero in a wrong place or something like that and is sent to jail, do you think that's fair.
Because of stuff like that, the goverment's made it so everyone gets health care and not just people like my example guy. And because there's no real source of income in a prison, of course the government has to pay for it.
I hope you understand that if some people have the right to it, then others should to from my example.

Posted:
Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:10 pm
by AdventWolf
Depends the circumstances I guess, I mean if it is necessity (insulin for diabetes or w/e) then sure. If something happens to an inmate and they don't have the money then what are they suppose to do? Live with it I guess, but I don't know anything so don't take my word for it.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:03 pm
by que13x
So the message I am getting is...
IF you have something wrong with you, get incarcerated and you can have it fixed for free?

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:16 pm
by crait
que13x wrote:So the message I am getting is...
IF you have something wrong with you, get incarcerated and you can have it fixed for free?
That's what a lot of people do now.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:45 pm
by Yumiko
No, they should remove healthcare from the prisoners.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:07 pm
by que13x
Yumiko wrote:No, they should remove healthcare from the prisoners.
Agreed.
If a prisoner gets sick, then let the family provide health care, it isn't fair for law abiding tax payers to provide it for outlaws. It will be an incentive to not get locked up if you know that you could get sick and die while doing time.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:19 pm
by Yumiko
While prison does limit freedom, it also gives more freedom.
Free food, healthcare, they take care of you. Easy solution if you're poor; go to jail.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:55 pm
by lhmnlbo
thats a hard one, but i mean it not cool though to just let them pretty much "rot" in prision.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:57 pm
by brentbizzle
Let's just say I'm glad que13x and Yumiko aren't involved in the government... they'd turn prisons into Vietnamese POW camps.

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:59 pm
by lhmnlbo
lol

Posted:
Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:27 pm
by AdventWolf
I think it depends on the crime, if they are a mental serial killer let them rot for all I care. It's too complicated, there are too many flaws in the system.

Posted:
Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:12 am
by que13x
I think prisons should provide:
Food but only once or twice a day
Water to maintain cleanliness and hygiene
Shelter (even a tent will do)
Electricity and climate control is a nice thing to have. think about how much money could be saved if lighting was kept to a minimum? No need to run heat or AC, if it is cold give them blankets If it is hot let them figure it out.
IT'S called PRISON for a reason!

Posted:
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:31 am
by crait
Ever heard of a white collar prison?
It's for people who commit crimes like tax evasion even if they do it on accident. Should they be malnourished to the point where they're almost dead like you're trying to explain?
You're explaining Azchwitz.
Re: Prisoners and health care

Posted:
Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:29 am
by DarkPacMan77
que13x wrote:I recently learned that prisoners essentialy receive unpaid healthcare benefits from the state.
Considering the amount of law abiding citizens that do not have health care, do you think this is fair?
It's hard to answer this topic poll because... well... no, it's absolutely not fair... while at the same time, I'd rather have my freedom and no health insurance rather than committing a crime just to receive some benefits. So while it seems unfair, especially in the particular account of health benefits, I can't help but think that it'd be more unfair to be imprisoned.
You gotta keep in mind though... I'm the kind of guy that believes that most crimes should not even be punishable by jail time.
-DarkPacMan77-