what do you think about god and religion?

I am also a deist which means if god does exist he in no way interferes with our lives.

Yes, I know what a 'Deist is and that many of our forefathers and war heroes where Deists, as learned in history class a few years back.

also this is a list of famous people who were athiest http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm, guess they all went to hell, including albert einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Charles Darwin, James Madison, John Adams, and Galileo probably the most famous in my view but there are hundreds of more. I guess they are all burning in hell because god loves them and wants them to know that if they dont worship him and follow his path he they will go to hell and have fun!

Charles Darwin believed and invented evolution I believe. And they DID believe in a God, because the chief belief in Deism is that there is a God, however he doesn't interfere with our lives. He just created the Universe and let it be while man went on with their on ways. There are many scattered beliefs of Christianity that involve different doctrines such as Catholicism, Lutheranism, Baptist, Methodist, Mormon and Non Denominational. I'm not sure how "Deism' looks in God's eyes, I think it might just involve different doctrines just like every single other belief in Christianity! Because Deism DOES believe in a God, just not that he will come back and all that.

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches." -Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

I don't go to church, but I believe in Christ. The organized religion that I have seen, hasn't been all that great. Benjamin Franklin meant the quote that "Lighthouses guide more people than Churches do" Which means that he is saying, organized religion buildings such as churches can become corrupt by corrupt people and therefore people do not receive the message. This is a simple case of man's natural evil tendencies. Church is not "evil" or "unguiding" in itself, it is just the corruptness that can come with it that messes it up. Thus, lighthouses guide people more than churches.

ALSO, it might be a secret message of his beliefs that of the Masonic belief. They believe that God is the "bringer of light" therefore a "lighthouse" but idk, his sayings can have multiple meanings and interpretations as did the first Biblical text which has sprung many different religions, i guess.

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States


"All religions have been made by men."-Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

Yes, because who else will? There are many scattered religions out there made by man. And Christianity was made for those who believe in God and his existance. However, I don't honor Napoleon's word too much, he was a French dictator that sought to control the world lol.

"Religion is all bunk."- Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian."- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist (1835-1910).

He is making fun of the fact the Christianity is not what it once was and should be. It has been corrupted because Man's natural tendency is evil.

"I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create."
-Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter

Well this is Pro-God, since he believed that God is all-powerful and the one that created us all. He says that he can do well in his life and painting, but he cannot do everything, as God is only able to do that.

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. "- Thomas Paine, English born American author and revolutionary leader (1737-1809).

Well its nice that you can copy/paste a list of ATHEIST quotes here. However you are not Atheist? True Deists believe in a God, not that there never was a God. So.. im not sure..

wow the benjamin and thomas jefferson ones were killing haha. These are just some of my favorite quotes...
well i got all these great smart people who contributed so much to the world on my side, and that all i need

I still don't see how this makes any difference to the topic, just because these people didn't fully believe in God, it doesn't mean that He isn't real. But Deism does indeed believe in a God.

oh did i mention Lance Armstrong who survived cancer IS A ATHIEST!! and he doesnt believe in god, actually i heard he is in a movement to spread the knowledge of how fake religion is all over the world, if im not wrong.
and he survived cancer ALL BY HIMSELF, and without the help of "god"

So you are hinting that only people that believe in God can survive cancer? If you are that is a very vague and ignorant imply. The will of man is very strong. If he praises himself so high to be so moral, why is he trying to discourage and lower all of those that believe in God? Why does he make statements against God like "If there was a God, I would have 2 nuts" He is simply offending the very existance of a God and all of those who believe in God. He is a very ignorant and self-praising "Hey look at me I overcame Cancer! I didn't even have to have God, look at me!" Also, I think you don't ave to necessarily have to fully worship God for him to fulfill a grateful deed.

I believe that everything that happens, happens for a reason, and even if it is bad in the first place, its like "We'll see" It might turn out for good. Just like in the Charlie Wilson's War movie, it talked about this

I can't quite remember how it went but

There is this boy that got a horse - good
The boy fell off his horse and broke his leg - bad
There was a draft for a war, he couldn't go - good

I think there is more but I can't remember, but perhaps everything that happens, happens for a reason. Perhaps getting Cancer made Lance stronger and become more moral and wanting to help people and speak out that "It is possible, I survived and so can you, we can do this". I'm not bashing him, just saying things happen for a reason, yet he might not know that. And he took it the wrong way by trying to bash God.

There are biblical proofs that support the reality of God. I can maybe explain some later, but I am busy atm.

I hope you find time to share in this proof. I am very interested.

My personal belief is that "god" is beings from another planet with advanced technology (laugh if you want). I base this belief on various creation records (some may call them myths) of early civilizations such as the Greek, Hebrew, Sumerian Mayan etc... and their similarities despite their geographical isolation from one another.

For the non believers and the evolutionists reading, explain to me the process of natural selection and how it benefits an organism (Animal or Plant) to reproduce sexually, or explain why the fossil record on Homo Sapiens which normally lumbered on at a million year pace suddenly accelerates dramatically over the last 100,00 years.

How did stone age cultures grasp advanced mathematical and astronomical concepts (Mayan Calender)?

Like it or not I am convinced we had a push as a species. I can only speculate why but I am convinced that it happened.

Yea, I might in the next couple of days, I didn't expect to spend like 30 minutes on making that reply, but I have a lot of stuff to do atm. So I can't . However, I did speak of some in my second post was it? About Babylon and the rebuilding of the temple and all that.

thing do happen for a reason i agree..
and my point is that most christian say only god can help you but there was a great example of a person who did it without gods help.
and he was a athiest from childhood.

teaching of god are great, it has just became corrupt and to many lies have been added. And donkey i said before, these people are Deist/athiest i forgot the name for it someone told me but it means they dont believe in god and if does exist he does not interfere with human life.

Also most christians say athiest are dumb, just showing they aren't and i dont read the bible but i heard it says 'those who do not follow the teaching of god will burn in hell for eternity", and i know that it says that in the Quaran because i used to be muslim and i've heard that from a lot of people.

Just shows some of the greatest thinkers did not believe in god.
These people were put on this list because they have said they are athiests sometime in their lives, not because they just think they are athiest or because they are deists..

Only person from that list i remember the person not being sure about was thomas jefferson who is believed to have changed his mind from deism to athiesm later in his life but who knows..

[Kanadier]

I've never read that... post the verse...

Does anybody still believe this old saying "God only helps those who help themselves"

[ace]

I'm about to leave, but the reason they people go to hell is yea, because they didn't have a relationship with God but also because it would be a lot harder to live with God in heaven for eternity knowing you didn't believe in him your whole time while you were on earth then it is to go to hell. That's also what the bible says. But God doesn't only hope believers, but anyone. Sure he could've helped lance armstrong, that doesn't mean he has to be a Christian.

Does anybody still believe this old saying "God only helps those who help themselves"

Yea, I think it might mean that, well God isn't going to do everything for you. You can't just sit back and ask God for anything and he'll give it to you. It means that God will help you if you first make your move and try to do something, he will then see your determination and help you, since you first helped yourself. A lot of people probably just sit back and ask for something every once in a while.. but you have to help yourself first. That's what it means.

[BKFraiders7]

Armstrong is a stupid ignorant moron...... God does what he sees fit to do. All things work out for the best....Jesus said that in the bible. If God wanted Armstrong to die.....with a snap of his finger he would be dead.


God isnt the way whoever up there said. ""Also most christians say athiest are dumb, just showing they aren't and i dont read the bible but i heard it says 'those who do not follow the teaching of god will burn in hell for eternity", and i know that it says that in the Quaran because i used to be muslim and i've heard that from a lot of people."" I am Baptist...i beleive to get to Heaven you must beleive him Jesus/God/ and the Holy Spirit. YOu must beleive Jesus died and rose again. You must accept Jesus as your savior. Then you ,in a sense, have a pass to heaven

ok atheist, agnostic, wiccan whatever. we can ALL agree scientology is BS! and a little hypocriticaly i think thinking about what happens when we die or what made the universe is pointless. seeing as how no one has any idea. for all any one knows THIS AROUND US is what it means NOT to exist. until jesus comes down and slaps me in the face and turns me into a squirrel i wont believe in anything. just theorize.

and a man NAMED jesus existed. however as history has shown us the TRUTH and and the TRUTH HOW PEOPLE PUT IT are two completely different things.

ok atheist, agnostic, wiccan whatever. we can ALL agree scientology is BS! and a little hypocriticaly i think thinking about what happens when we die or what made the universe is pointless. seeing as how no one has any idea. for all any one knows THIS AROUND US is what it means NOT to exist. until jesus comes down and slaps me in the face and turns me into a squirrel i wont believe in anything. just theorize.

and a man NAMED jesus existed. however as history has shown us the TRUTH and and the TRUTH HOW PEOPLE PUT IT are two completely different things.

yah exactly my point, i never said he didnt exist i just said god didnt exist, or maybe i did i dont know. But people could have changed the history and we would never know and thats why i told trust it.

and until the day jesus comes and slaps me and turns me into a dog im not going to believe in him...There is just no proof guys im sorry i cant trust a book and anyone could have changed these past 2000 years...

and " God helps those who help themselves" thats the stupidest thing i've heard because if you help your self you are helping YOUR SELF, god is not helping you that just sooo stupid, so if i try to stay alive after i got shot then god helped me? NO I TRIED ME HARDEST TO STAY ALIVE, god didnt help me.

I mean i think all this "god sends you to hell" and stuff were originally not in any of the bibles but added by people to control other. I think the books were made as something to guide people, not tell them how to live their lives. I a lot of things in the bible are great, but i think it has been changed.

Of coarse there is proof. Have you ever read Revelations or Matthew? It speaks that before Jesus comes there will be worldwide famine and disease that NO one can cure. There will be earthquakes and disaster. There will be lawlessness and there will be no authority whatsoever. We are already experiencing things getting out of hand, people starting to rob and kill people at gas stations, school killings, mall killings. People are doing whatever they want. And the Bible also speaks of "war and rumor of war" if you go to the UN website, it lists every single war that has occurred every single year. War is occurring and it is increasing at an extremely alarming rate. There are airborne diseases spurring, and TB is spreading dramatically. It also speaks that "Ye" as in "believers" will be hated by all the nations. You already see an increased anti-Christian atmosphere growing as people trying to take away "In God we trust" off the dollar bill and kids trying to take away "God" in the pledge of allegiance. People hate Christians, in before Christ comes, Christians will be utterly persecuted. God says that there will be betrayals, people that once stood for Christ will deny his name for their life. The Bible also says that there will be MANY "False Prophets" that will deceive many and pretend they are the true God... Do you know how many so called "god" people there have been in history?! Every once in a while you hear about these people that say they are Jesus.. It was all predicted in the Bible! These are biblical proofs that are happening and will happen that have been stated way before our time! Oh and about the earthquakes, you know about the thing about California, I guess it isn't getting very stable. And there are 3 fault lines below Jerusalem.

Oh and I don't see why you don't understand "God helps those who help themselves" I guess it is because it has "God" in it. But God will not do everything for you, you can't sit down and not work and be a couch potato when you want to achieve something. He will not give it to you, you must work at it and he will help you. Thats it lol.

And of coarse you will not go to heaven if you do not believe in God. How else would you have it? God specifically states that you must know him and have a relationship with him in order to spend an eternity with him. You just try to make everything sound so harsh like "God will send you to hell!" when you don't understand.

The Scripture also states that before Jesus can come back, there must be a One World Government. Doesn't that sound familiar? Isn't the UN at this time, trying to make this possible? They are trying to make every nation equal and have a single One World Constitution and Government. The One World Government is the only way that The Anti-Christ can take over.

And of coarse you already know about the persecution of Christians in other countries like China, Africa and Japan. They rapidly persecute those who believe in the Word. It is illegal to hold a Christian meeting in China, if you are caught praising God, you will be torchoured and killed.

There is also another thing to have to do with the Temple being rebuilt in order for Christ to come back. And in the Book of Numbers, it speaks that in order for the Temple to be put in use, a "Red Heifer" must be sacrificed to purify the temple. And you may have not heard about any of this "red cow" stuff but there have been cases of red cows, they are supposedly VERY pure and have been very scarce in all of history. The first case was in 1997, another in 2000, and another in 2002. They are now becoming easier and easier to find, BUT. How in the world would the BIBLE have all the answers, and all the authors know that any of this stuff would ever happen? Perhaps.. is it all real?

well theres one way to look at it.

Whether religion is easy to believe or hard to believe...

what do you have to lose?

See what you did farquezy? You got everyone all spun up and for what? I knew religion was a bad topic. Way to go!

haha im sorry...

but adventwolf everything you said happened in the middle ages and no jesus came...

the bubonic plague, wars all other the place, and increase in number of people who became athiests, even athiesm started at that time i think...Earthquakes happened and people were killing and slaughtering each other all over the world. But NO JESUS CAME!!.

Even i can predicts something like that will happen, doesnt take a genius. So when i said my best friend would have his girl friend break up with him and she did, then im god? because i predicted what will happen.
I also said she would hate me and hate him, and be happy like nothing happened.
AND ALL I IT CAME TRUE!!

I'M GOD!!! YES IM GOD!!
how else can i have all those answers??
i even predicted i would beat my record in call of duty 4, i am truly god because i predicted stuff that came true....


haha guys dont get all serious just trying to learn what you all think.. sorry if i offend anyone