Official Religion Debate Thread

if god doesnt exist may i be struck down by him now..... still here

if god doesnt exist may i be struck down by him now..... still here

I believe that it is not about whether or not god exists. When you look at the planet or even the local solar system there are things all around us that are just too perfect.

Example: The planet is the right distance form the sun and the moon is the right distance and size to appear the same size as the sun. That is a galactic coincidence if there ever was one. Also our atmosphere has just the right mix of gasses and the proper pressure levels to sustain us. Ask any physicist about "constants" and then ask what the world would be like if they were changed slightly, only slightly. We would not exist. Life would likely not exist if those constants weren't what they are today to ensure molecular bonds.

"I do not know what God is but I know what god is not"- unknown

I think we can argue about whether Christians, Muslims or whatever whether or not they actually worship a true god or not, but there is evidence of intelligent design all around us and I do not think it needs 10% of our income every Sunday and it does not care what color your skin is or whether or not you like people of the same sex etc.

if god doesnt exist may i be struck down by him now..... still here

I believe that it is not about whether or not god exists. When you look at the planet or even the local solar system there are things all around us that are just too perfect.

Example: The planet is the right distance form the sun and the moon is the right distance and size to appear the same size as the sun. That is a galactic coincidence if there ever was one. Also our atmosphere has just the right mix of gasses and the proper pressure levels to sustain us. Ask any physicist about "constants" and then ask what the world would be like if they were changed slightly, only slightly. We would not exist. Life would likely not exist if those constants weren't what they are today to ensure molecular bonds.

"I do not know what God is but I know what god is not"- unknown

I think we can argue about whether Christians, Muslims or whatever whether or not they actually worship a true god or not, but there is evidence of intelligent design all around us and I do not think it needs 10% of our income every Sunday and it does not care what color your skin is or whether or not you like people of the same sex etc.

just for the record it was supposed to be a joke....

lets not forget there are billions if not trillions of planets...
so there is a HUGE chance there would be some perfect solar systems

its not devine intervention

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How do you know there are trillions of planets?
Besides, I still don't think there is a huge chance. Theres phenomenons everywhere. So yea, I agree que with what he said.

because they already proved there is more than a billion planets visible and discovering more planets everyday...
some scientist say there are trillions in our galaxy.

I'm not sure but I think most of those planets are stars or just the size of stars.

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It'd take me forever to count to one billion, let alone discover over one billion planets? I wouldn't mind if you posted proof of this.

because they already proved there is more than a billion planets visible and discovering more planets everyday...

I think you mean Billions of Stars as planets are only visible when illuminated. Planets are observed indirectly by how their gravity tugs on their star or how their size changes the amount of light that reaches the earth when they move between us and their star.

I only gave a few examples of how things were too perfect for us I will throw in another.

Mercury is closest to the sun followed by Venus then Mars and then this asteroid belt. of those 3 planets only the Earth has a moon. Mars has 2 captured asteroids that qualify as moons by definition. Of all the planets in the solar system only the earth has a disproportionately large moon by comparison. Even Pluto way out at the rim of the solar system has a moon that is much smaller in proportion when compared to the earth.

Our large moon is responsible for the tides that help churn up nutrients that various life forms consume for sustenance also its large size absorbs and with its gravity deflects many impacts that could really alter the course of life on earth. Better to get hit every few hundred million years by a killer asteroid than every few thousand or less.

There are many more examples I will reveal them if I need to. I already posted a good explanation of the origins of the solar system in another thread. Anyone interested can dig for it if they like.

Thats good stuff que . I would say that everything is so precise, but I didn't know too much of this stuff in-depth. Yea, I figured those were stars.

[DarkPacMan77]

And now the religion thread is discussing stars and planets... interesting... don't you agree, farquezy? - yet again? (or anyone that has seen Zeitgeist, for that matter)

I just want to throw in that we've only begun seriously developing ideas and technology (good enough) to research other planets outside of our solar system in the last 30 or so years and we've only really made good progress in the past 18 or so... roughly, of course. And no, I'm not talking about the moon or Mars etc. Those programs have been around for a long time; I'm talking about outside of our own solar system. We have no idea how many planets there are in our own galaxy, let alone others, but from the estimations of many sources I've looked at online in the past half hour or so, the average of the estimates is somewhere around 300 billion [planets in our solar system].

Also...

"I do not know what God is but I know what god is not"- unknown

I think that's a Jordan Maxwell quote... probably wrong though.

-DarkPacMan77-

here proof of billions of planets in our galaxy

http://centripetalnotion.com/2006/10/06/21:11:28/
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/a ... 20128.html

but see, when there are billions of planets, than the chances of one of them having the perfect condition for living organism is extremely high.

And now the religion thread is discussing stars and planets... interesting... don't you agree, farquezy? - yet again? (or anyone that has seen Zeitgeist, for that matter)

yah haha

here proof of billions of planets in our galaxy

Those are estimates. The page actually says that 16 could have been discovered, 7 for sure maybe 9 others...maybe.

It would take thousands of lifetimes to discover and catalog a billion planets, think about it.

Don't get me wrong I know there are more planets out there but most of the planets that are being discovered are gas giants like Jupiter or Saturn. These bodies are not likely to harbor life however they are still planets. As of the moment I do not think we have the technology to observe earth size or earth type planets. That will change but still it will take a very long time to discover 1 billion of them.

[DarkPacMan77]

here proof of billions of planets in our galaxy

Those are estimates. The page actually says that 16 could have been discovered, 7 for sure maybe 9 others...maybe.

It would take thousands of lifetimes to discover and catalog a billion planets, think about it.

I guess farquezy just read the headline and not the 2-3 sentence "article" lol on the first link. The second link was pretty good reading though. But yea, it would take a VAST amount of time to find a billion planets and categorize them. Heck, it would take a long time to find a billion blades of grass, and we have quite a bit of that stuff on Earth. But then you'd have to categorize it all...

I do believe that there are other planets with intelligent life already living there or are capable of harboring intelligent life. I bet that we won't find them before they find us though... but, if we're able to communicate with them fluidly and teach them our language, I'd like to see someone explain religion to them.

-DarkPacMan77-

I'd like to see someone explain religion to them.-DarkPacMan77-

I would like them to explain religion to me!

Anyhow DPM you bring up a good point about there being billions of blades of grass but I must say at least we can see and touch the grass. We can barely indirectly observe other planets and what we have seen will surely not sustain life.

Not only are the planets that have been observed of the wrong type their location in their respective solar systems is in the wrong position as well as their orbital periods to benefit life.

Earth is fortunate that it was not too close to the sun to have the oceans boil away or to far to have them locked up in ice. We are also lucky that our days are just long enough to allow the surface of the planet to warm more or less evenly.

We are also lucky that our solar system consists of only one sun instead of several which is the galactic norm. Imagine what it would be like if we had 2 or even 3 suns as is common in the galaxy.

When all of this is taken into account one can get a sense of how rare, even improbable life is. I believe that searching for extraterrestrial life is not as simple as doing the Drake equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation ) and then go looking for verification of the results.

This is why I believe things are too perfect for us.

Besides, contrary to what I just said I think that there is plenty of evidence of extra terrestrial life on earth, and I am not referring to the hoax Youtube videos that are around as evidence. I think contact was made at several points in our distant past. If this life was not of extra terrestrial origin then it can only be explained as a super advanced civilization but then one must wonder how come they are no longer with us today?