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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:45 pm

ace_012 wrote:it takes a lot more faith to believe everything was just random, and we came out of a random black hole or from some random explosion. To believe that we went from an explosion somewhere in space of which we don't even know where the space came from for that matter, to where we are now.


The best explanation that I heard was that the earth was formed 4.5 billion years ago along with the rest of the solar system when the remnants of a supernova explosion began to cool and condense. Back in those days there was a planet between Jupiter and Mars. There was a catastrophic collision with this body and half of it shattered forming the asteroid belt. The other half was knocked out of its orbit and eventually hit the earth almost destroying it and forming the moon. The moon is basically a ball of ash, the incinerated remains of a rocky world that absorbed the energy of impacting earth. The moon has no magnetic field to shield it from the solar wind and not enough gravity to hold an atmosphere. Any liquid or gas on this planet would have long evaportated or would have been absorbed by the earth.

Ask any geologist about the earths crust, Not the part you can see, but the part above the mantle. The crust is irregular particularly in the pacific basin. this would be a logical site for a tremendous impact. The thinness of the crust in this area also explains the ring of fire, the most volcanically active part of the planet. The irregular crust would also explain platetechtonics. This explains the sliding of the continents.
We have more crust than we have planet for it to rest on so the land masses slide around on a bed of lava. Imagine trying to wrap an orange peel on a smaller orange than the one you originally peeled it from.

All biologist agree that life started quite suddenly on earth approximately 3.8 Billion years ago. Geologists insist that the oldest rocks on the planet are 4.5 billion years old. That is a difference of 700 million years. That is a long time for life to spontaneously start from the primordial goo or plenty of time for a planet sized collision to occur thereby triggering life.

Keep in mind that what I am saying neither proves or disproves the existence of god. If there is no god however I know that we are lucky for several reasons.

1. We have a magnetic field. This prevents solar radiation from frying us and blowing our atmosphere into space. A lack of this by the planet Mars is the reason that it is a barren wasteland.

2. Our huge moon. No planet in the solar system has a moon proportionally as large as ours. The moon is responsible for keeping our magnetic poles relatively stable. Without this we would suffer great temperature variations from the earth wobbling in its orbit. Stable temperature allows life to adapt to its climate and flourish. Drastic temperature changes would never allow this to happen. The moon also acts as a shield blocking impacts from asteroids. I think it is kind of neat too how the moon is the right distance from us to make it appear the same size as the sun making solar eclipses interesting to view.

3. The planet has the right mix of water and minerals to support life. If the earth had no iron red blood would not exist and thus we would not exist or would exist as something else but clearly not human. Venus in theory should have a similar makeup as planet earth and so should Mars since they formed in relatively the same area but this is not so. Venus is mostly Carbon Dioxide, So is Mars. Earths Atmosphere is mostly Nitrogen. Both Venus and mars lack this element in any significant amount. I am not a biochemist but I do not know if bacteria could be responsible for this. I do know that a cosmic collision could explain it though.

4. We are the right distance from the sun so that we do not freeze or fry.

Anyhow this is what I believe.

I hate making really long posts but I will let all of you chew on this and wait and see what comes back.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:18 pm

Wow, even though it was a long post it was a great read. Even though I believe what I do, I've always found facts similar to the ones you have given are real interesting. But any who, thats the exact reasons why I don't see how it all could be random spontaneous events. It just seems all to right. Everything is just placed just right. It just seems to good to be true if it is all by accident. I mean maybe that's how God made it, he decided to trow some big rocks around similar to atom splitting. But then again there is no doubt how adversely humans have affected our environment. So if the world around us did such a great job so far, why not keep it up? Why not create the perfect human. The big rock hit the earth just exactly right to create what we have today, so if the natural things did that good how come the results of the aforementioned events could ruin it's creation? I don't really know if that made sense, I'm sleeping and just rambling on ideas. But I'm just trying to figure out how everything fell into place to create living breathing humans that have there own morals and could so adversely affect the very thing that supposedly created them. Just seems to good to be true if God did not create everything. But yah know that's why I believe what I do believe. I guess theres just things that we will never know, at least in this lifetime.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:34 pm

And where did these rocks and planets come from? :D
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:37 pm

Im with ace.....It happend all to "naturally". Too perfect. Too right. Someone/Thing had something to do with it.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:15 pm

AdventWolf wrote:And where did these rocks and planets come from? :D


A Star is a nuclear Fusion furnace. The heat energy we receive is the by product of atoms smashing together and fusing, creating new elements. Why do the atoms smash together? Gravity. Gravity pulls the atoms together and they eventually collide and fuse and create new elements but only to a point.

So if there was a big (I mean huge) cloud of Hydrogen (atomic weight of 1) it would collapse on itself (Gravity) and eventually create a star. This star would fuse the atoms into all the elements up to iron(atomic weight 26). The star would eventually die exploding into another cloud but this time the cloud would be made up of the elements up to Iron. The condensation starts over again creating a smaller star but this time planets could be formed. In the star the atoms would fuse into other elements and the entire cycle would continue creating elements beyond atomic weight 26.

Keep in mind that rocks are made of various mixtures of elements including metals like iron and non metals such as silicon (quartz)

Not all planets are rocky either. Saturn Jupiter Neptune Uranus are giant balls of gas that do not have enough mass to ignite like the sun did.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:25 pm

Well.. where did gravity come from?
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:59 pm

ok... well say someone does believe. then whats right? christianity, jewish, or catholic?
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:18 pm

There are different variations and doctrines that each sect believes. The Jewish religion believes that Christ was a prophet and he the true Messiah has not made his first coming, as Christians are waiting for the second coming. And I'm not sure about Catholicism, it just depends on what the beliefs are.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:24 pm

understandable. but which is right?
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:32 pm

AdventWolf wrote:Well.. where did gravity come from?


I do not know how to explain gravity I am not a physicist. Gravity is still being debated by way better minds than my own.

light_alistor wrote:ok... well say someone does believe. then whats right? christianity, jewish, or catholic?


Which religion to follow is up to you to decide. Follow what you feel inside yourself. I think that the general consensus is that if you live an honest an righteous life you will still go to heaven regardless of your denomination.

My belief is... Well what I think does not matter. Do your research and decide on your own what works for you. For some Mormonism is the true way, Others Islam. Follow your feelings; that is all I can tell you.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:33 pm

AdventWolf wrote:

. Also, if the Bible told us exactly when Jesus was coming, then everyone would party all the time up until that moment when Jesus was coming and be good so they could go to heaven. Even though if they tried to be good afterwards, they probably wouldn't mean it so they wouldn't go anyway. The Bible repeatedly states for us to be ready in Matthew 24.[/quote]if people only act good to please god and not go to hwll, then this world has a problem. Becuase if you only act good to please god, and not act good because you wish to help this world, but wow this world is missed up.

but heres the main reason why i dont support religion, this video basically says it, watch the whole thing please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVeVTYSdD8

bkfraiders7 wrote:Im with ace.....It happend all to "naturally". Too perfect. Too right. Someone/Thing had something to do with it.
but i mean look at it like this.
There are trillions of planets in out galaxy, and there is a VVVVEEERRRRYYY good chance that one could randomly placed so perfect that it can support life, that pretty much explains it. I mean out of all these trillions of planets one has to be perfect enough to support life, there is a huge chance there are more.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:41 pm

But where did these trillions of planets come from? one sec ill watch the vid.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:41 pm

To me it seems as though for people who have doubts about whether there is a god aren't going to heaven because they are thinking rationally about it. I'm still all confuzed about it and stuff, all of the things that have been predicted and all these things that god/jesus did are hard to believe which then makes me believe there is no god. I know there was a Jesus but I don't think he was as divine as he was made out to be. I think he was just an ordinary man who had a child with Mary Magdilin (Can't spell it). Well, that's what I got from the Da Vinci Code, dunno if it's real or not.

It's a bit offending when i'm told i'm going to hell or being left on earth when Jesus comes just because i'm still not sure about if God is real. If he is real, then wont he understand why i'm still questioning him? I find it hard to believe I have to know he is real to go to heaven when I can't see any actual proof that he is there. The predictions to me are consequences (Pretty bloody big ones at that).

Oh well, I don't know.
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:44 pm

Reigo80 wrote:It's a bit offending when i'm told i'm going to hell or being left on earth when Jesus comes just because i'm still not sure about if God is real. If he is real, then wont he understand why i'm still questioning him? I find it hard to believe I have to know he is real to go to heaven when I can't see any actual proof that he is there. The predictions to me are consequences (Pretty bloody big ones at that).

Oh well, I don't know.
soooo true man im with you right there. What kind of god would do that? send you to hell just because you dont believe in him. He sounds like a 14 year old teenager who doesnt like people because they dont like him and always wants to fight them. He also sounds very selfish.

Also if you think jesus was real, watch "The God who wasn't there" on youtube, if might change your mind :)


AdventWolf wrote:But where did these trillions of planets come from? one sec ill watch the vid.
i think que13x already explained that :)
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Post Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:54 pm

Why must you consistently insult the God of several members of this forum? Thats not cool. It states clearly in the Bible that if you do not believe in Him, then you will not rise up into heaven. You don't get a free pass if you don't believe in him. And he doesn't "send you to hell". He takes you to heaven if you do believe in him. You go one way or another.
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