Official Religion Debate Thread

Do so then Farq, where in the New Testament does it say for Christians, followers of Christ to kill someone?
And nothing cheesy.
@Que- It doesn't not advocate killing other people.

lol i did before remember?
even though most where from old testament, here ill do it tomorrow, got to go, got school

I was referring to that, I already disproved that since it isn't literal, it states things like "should be.." and things changed so you don't have to kill people just like ritual sacrifice. Jesus died on the cross so you don't have to do that anymore. It doesn't count.

Well I brought up everything that I brought up because I just wanted to show that the New Testament really came up out of convenience more than anything else. I mean look at how much Jews struggle to follow their faith and keep things Kosher. Many Muslims do not even pray 5 times a day like is stated in their holy text. Catholics can do whatever they please so long as they ask forgiveness, let's not forget that Catholicism is the root of Christianity.

Before Judaism and Jewish slavery, there was a belief in many gods ( Moloch, Baal, El, Dagon all mentioned in the Old Testament) but it became a hassle to keep them all straight. For example if you study Egyptology you will find that the supreme deity varied from city to city and from Dynasty to Dynasty. The emancipated slaves left Egypt with more than their freedom, they also brought with them some of their oppressors beliefs such as baptism, circumcision and the belief in an afterlife to name a few.

If you were a slave in Egypt you would pray to Isis for mercy. Knowing of Isis you would also praise her partner Ammon Ra without whom life would not exist. In your original Slave language you would use the word El to describe god. (Look up the meaning of Elohim, it means divine note the prefix EL at the beginning)So when the slaves left Egypt and took their land from the Canaanites by force I want to add, they named it IS-RA-EL. A tribute to Egyptian gods. Don't believe me? Do you think when you end your prayer with an amen you are speaking Hebrew? No you are praising Ammon Ra (Ra properly pronounced is re or ray)Sun god of Egypt. Yep Sun god. Take a good look at the flag of Israel and tell me if you can locate the sun Icon. Hint: look in the middle.

3200 years is a lot of time for things to get lost in translation. Especially if no one is recording all of it as it is happening. Where would we be without Archeology?

[DarkPacMan77]

I don't want to see any posts after this one until everyone has read que's post.

-DarkPacMan77-

Well the majority of the jews came from Egypt, they probably got with some Egyptian gods then. And just because you say Amen, it doesn't mean you are praising someone, it only means what you mean it to mean. Amen is used as ex:
"That chicken and dumplings was good!" --- "Amen!"

When you sum op a prayer of saying something, and you are praying for people. It sums it up "Amen!" It only matters what your heart intent is when you say stuff like that, thats like saying "Bible" and you are praising God since it is "His Word".

Good point but then I have to wonder the value of the words we use when we no longer really know their original meanings. Immediately I think of Hip Hop and I think you know where I am going with this so I will bring up another example. The origins of the word "Cracker". It is a slave term which was short for the white guy with the whip also known as the "whip cracker". It took 200 years for it to be understood otherwise. Another example "panic" came from the god Pan which was a forest spirit. If you were in the forest and felt fear it was the cause of the god Pan hence the word Panic.

We can change the meanings all we want to, but the origins can never change.

That is why so few people understand the New Testament and its original purpose. I do not reveal this out of malice or spite but it must be done. The purpose of the New Testament was to teach submission and compliance to Government and worse yet, it was a way to get Jew of the time to worship Caesar the "holy" emperor. (I can give examples later if anyone is interested.) The Jews were smarter than this and so recognize Jesus as a prophet and not the actual son of god or a messiah to this day.

If you have time and know your New Testament well I invite you to read:War of the Jews- http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-pref.htm This book parallels the New Testament and predates the letters of Paul by only a few years. The similarities are so uncanny they are almost satirical. Also Much of what is in the book War of the Jews can be verified unlike much of what is written in the New Testament. If you use logic there is only one conclusion to draw.

[DarkPacMan77]

That is why so few people understand the New Testament and its original purpose. I do not reveal this out of malice or spite but it must be done. The purpose of the New Testament was to teach submission and compliance to Government and worse yet, it was a way to get Jew of the time to worship Caesar the "holy" emperor. (I can give examples later if anyone is interested.) The Jews were smarter than this and so recognize Jesus as a prophet and not the actual son of god or a messiah to this day.

If you use logic there is only one conclusion to draw.

I chunked up what you said slightly, que, but thank you for saying this. Somebody had to.

Nobody can escape the origin of a meaning, of a purpose. The truth is that the New Testament was developed politically to develop a belief structure below the might of the government.

-DarkPacMan77-

I've never really heard that perspective before. Makes you think doesn't it?

when i said it was the safest religon i meant to say, that i find it has the best message in comparison to other religons......

when i said it was the safest religon i meant to say, that i find it has the best message in comparison to other religons......

ah then take another look at Buddhism.

Even though this topic is in a heated debate I decided to ask this..

Answer me these questions rationally, with logic...

1: Why doesn't god heal amputees?
2: Why do bad things happen to good people?
3: Why are there so many starving people in our world?

I myself haven't read the bible but I heard that God suppossedly created the earth 6000 years ago.
So..

4: How can this be true when dinosaur bones have been found and carbon dated back to the Triassic period which was 251 to 200 million years ago.?

I saw that video "Why doesn't God heal amputees" or something.

God does not heal amputees because people assume that limbs do not grow back and so no one asks god to replace them whenever they are cut off.

See, simple and logical.

J.C., you owe me!

when i said it was the safest religon i meant to say, that i find it has the best message in comparison to other religons......

ah then take another look at Buddhism.

im not into reincarnation and believing tere is no evil in the world.....

Can you answer the other questions.?

@Advent - That video was good..