what kind of people do you hate?

[DarkPacMan77]

I'd like to state that, for the record, I grew up in a very religious household and spent most of my time with my Grandmother as a child. Growing up from before I can remember all the way up through when I was 13 years old, I was a devout Baptist Christian and practiced my religion more sternly than nearly anyone I know. Up until then, I attended every single Church regulated event and sermon as well as Sunday school and what our Church calls "Vacation Bible School", a summer school basically, and never missed a single dance, potluck, charity dinner, or anything else unless I was terribly ill or injured. 6 years later, after I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours studying the core of 7 different religions very intimately. I tried to fit myself into the one that I believed in most. It was only then that I decided that religion, any religion, was false.

@ BKF ~ I know gay, lesbian, and bisexual people that all practice Christianity. Are they not loved by their God? Surely, if that is a false love, their God would despise it... but they practice anyway. I don't agree with them caring about religion, let alone one in which doesn't care for them in return, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to tell me that they aren't Christians. Are you blind? You say your religion doesn't promote hatred... yet it's ok to not like anybody from any other religion, anybody that has stolen, committed adultery, or is gay??? What the hell do you mean you don't promote hate? Sure, the core of Christianity is a great idea, and if it worked out, I'd still be a devout practitioner of Christianity, but it doesn't work and only insinuates and promotes good people into disliking anybody else that doesn't join their religion... no if's, and's or but's about it. The same teachings from the Crusades are being taught today. The ONLY reason there aren't any religious wars in the United States anymore is because religions CAN'T START THEM anymore because of a separation of Church and State. Yet if you look at developing nations, you'll see that they are raging civil war against their own people because they have combined Church and State and are using their religion(s) as war propaganda to kill off their neighbors in order to make sure that they are the only religion/ political party.

If you don't like what I just said, that's fine, but every single bit of it is the complete truth, and I can back it up tenfold and then some.

And I was thinking, what me and hopefully bkf believe wouldn't really be called a religion. I don't know the details, but I believe more of a very simple philosophy. You should have a personal relationship with God, and pretty much the basics. Don't sin, if you do then repent since you know its wrong. Repent for real, and you go to heaven. That easy. I like that better then a complex karma system, to much to deal with. There all still fear powered though when you get down to the nitty gritty.

@ ace ~ You said it all; religion is powered by FEAR. Specifically, it is powered by the fear of death. Nobody can stop themselves from dying, therefor, people feel more comfortable if they believe that there are little people in the sky (or some alternate reality) in which they can meet up with their deceased relatives and loved ones and continue to live in peaceful harmony and salvation from the cruel trial of life. I'm sorry, but we put people in mental homes for believing far more likely things than that.

Fear. That's what it comes down to. Are you guys honestly saying that because you are so afraid of death, you're willing to buy into an entire construct and way of life? The tenth commandment reads, "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's". Doesn't that sound a little bit old to you? Don't you think you should be making up your own mind about how to live your life in modern times instead of spoon-feeding yourself biblical nonsense that was indoctrinated since the beginning of time?

-DarkPacMan77-

oh there certainly no tolerance for them my friend. after all they are persecuted according to the law. theres zero tolerance for them in fact. thank the justice system not the bible.

and what i really hate? is bashing people based on their religious standing. farq here hasnt done anything but voice his opinion. mind you its not always the BEST opinion but he doesnt believe. let him go and leave him alone. and no one here has ever proved me wrong. seeing as how god hasnt text or smited me or caused me harm or converted me kinda shows that

God is tolerant until the end, then it is judgement day. But I never said thank the Bible for no tolerance, or anything about the Bible.

@DPM, that thing about the 10th commandment, that is a simple 'jab' I guess at the Bible, just because something is antique doesn't mean it is worthless.

The wording may be old, but it still stands for good.

wrong. god isnt tolerant and judgment day isnt coming. thats the way i see it. i dont believe in any religion and consider those who do people making the SAFE bet. thats all. if thats you good do your thing but to ace and bkf and anyone else. if you bash farq for being anti-religious then you sure as HELL better try to bash me too.

and that is my 600th post

[DarkPacMan77]

@DPM, that thing about the 10th commandment, that is a simple 'jab' I guess at the Bible, just because something is antique doesn't mean it is worthless.

The wording may be old, but it still stands for good.

Antique belief structures that incorporate 1/6th of the entire world's populace sure as hell better be able to define a clear reason why it was ok to ever own servants, and why it isn't now, and why God changed how he feels.

The purpose of the tenth commandment has never been denounced by the Church or clarified for why it was ever correct to own people as property. That sure doesn't sound like what this all-kind and all-wise God would want... but since God has never released any public statement that I could find to clear up why that was ever written in the first place, I think my argument stands firm.

-DarkPacMan77-

@DPM: I guess thats why people get the NIV version .
Yea it's not right to bash someone for what they believe in, but yea.. I can't say.

But I was just saying IF there is a God, then he IS tolerant, because you said he ISN'T. You misunderstood me. How can you simply say he isn't tolerant if there isn't a God, then when I try to say the opposite, it is suddenly blasphemy.

i'll probably piss people off, but hey i all ready have pissed off half of you at some point haha! if you can't handle it, the internet isn't the place for you

RELIGION IS A FICTIONAL SYSTEM DESIGNED TO CONTROL SOCIETY AND MAINTAIN ORDER



it's sh*t okay? it just causes problems. the war in iraq right now... it's deepest roots go back to different religous groups disagreeing with each other. "y00 iz wrong i am right! y00 iz n00b. lets sh00t at eachother you 3vil sinner!" when we split up the middle east after WWII we mixed up the wrong cultures.

religion will die out eventually, when we are all long dead. it is an ancient practice that has no place in our modern world.

FIGHT DA POWA!!@#!@#!@#

3d17: to sympathize slightly... i acknowledge the *possibility* that there might be some sort of greater being that created the universe. however, the way that humans interpret this in mainstream religions is total sh*t as stated above.

I hate people who won't admit their wrong especially when they've been proven wrong.

I hate people who don't spell words correctly(on intent).
I hate people who hate cats.
I hate people(a person, at gamestop) who say video games are getting lame and that the only good games there are are sports games(e.g. EA's NBA, Madden NFL, and MLB series)
I hate movies that use slow-mo on intense action scenes.
I hate PeOpLe wHo ThInK tHiS iS cOoL.
I hate social networking sites(Yes that means you Facebook, My Space, and yes the AOL owned BeBo.
I hate people in general while I can still love even the people and the things I hate.

[ace]

Well I don't believe in God because I'm scared to die, but because thats what I believe is right. There was a guy around that was Jesus. Many people thought he was mental, just like you said dpm that mental patients might believe more realistic things and we call them mental. But if the bible says thats what really happened then I believe it. How else could you explain the world around you? No ones been proven wrong, and never will be until they die or judgement day. I said that last statement because obviously light_alistor thinks karma isn't based on fear either. What else would sound antique? I mean it's the truth, and its been around for ages. I'd rather believe that then something people think they know nowadays. Everyone seems to be trying to interpret what they think, thousands of years after the earth was made. And people are still making up what they believe is true. I mean sgg just said its designed to maintain order yet it is also mean to produce hatred and disorder? I don't know a lot about it but it's the only thing that sounds sensible. Over 500 people said they saw Jesus after he rose from the grave. In any modern court system today they would say that's enough evidence to prosecute someone for the death sentence. Obviously no one here is going to be persuaded to believe what anyone else thinks is true. And light_alistor, why would we bash farq? I mean really we have already said it, so why don't you go read our posts. We don't hate him, and if we did I could care less what you say I'll dislike someone if I want to, but were not even "bashing" him for his beliefs. Why don't you stop bashing us for our beliefs? I mean really dpm is the only one here trying to backup his beliefs legitimately, and he makes some really good points but thats just not what I believe. So, if you want to argue more then maybe go ressurect(sp? firefox said the correct spelling for it would be pressure lol) the religion thread. If it is really a lie, and this world is nothing but a coincidence, and its all just an accident, nothing is planned at all, different elements bonding is what caused us to have morals, then I will still be happy because I lived a admirable life by following the commandments.

As a man of science I'm not particular to any religion in particular.
I just believe that once you die its like unpluging a computer.
Also if any one religion was correct there wouldn't be so many other religions.

I'm not trying to say any one is wrong, or that anyone is right.
Honestly, I'm scared of death, because I don't understand it.
So I try to believe in christianity, but I still have my own views on the world in
which we live and I try to obtain as much knowledge as possible before
I would truly denounce anything.

[BKFraiders7]

@ DPM... Well God loves you. He loves everyone. I hope you (and everyone else) sees the light eventually (before its too late). If not, i will forget about you wen i pass.

Anyway, when judgement day comes il be up in heaven. Have "fun" through the tribulation. One thing u will never forget tho...is this. Remembering that if you would have just listened to us u would be up there with us. You will remember Jesus in the Eastern Sky.

Ace, il see you once i go through those gates. We can have a great talk in person there. We can even invite advent.

Wow, though I shouldn't be surprised, I mean, individuality makes sure we all have our opinions.
I am not unlike DPM, in fact, I hold similar views and agree with him, I grew up a Catholic (meaning I had to go to church as well etc..) and am now erm.. I think the term is agnostic. I say this as I have always believed in "something" perhaps, and if there really is "something" out there, there's no way we're ever meant to know what or who that is, the story just doesn't fit with me. But being young I believed because I knew that if it were true then I was ok, and if it were not true, then no one was the wiser, it's a shame that life's not a simple as this, since every culture has devised it's own idol for worship, and although that worked way back when, now we have integrated as a species, the clashes in these faiths have shown.
Experience has taught me that religion however meant for the best intentions (at the best of times at least) has been used as a means of control by the governments and higher powers through history. It sure helped when giving people a reason to live (or even to die) and kept the "people" in line.
It's origin is disputable but in my honest opinion, I won't be losing any sleep over it, that's quite frankly, not important. What is important, is the effects religion is having on the rest of the world, today!
I doubt I need to back my claims up when I say religion is no longer as influential these days as it used to be, however, extremism is still being used so for you out there that say otherwise, it may "die out eventually" but it sure as heck won't be whilst civilization is around, there are always going to be traces of religion, and I can firmly say, it's here to stay (why do you think so many have lasted so long? Religion has been trying to wipe itself out for many centuries, even millennia).

I'm not the most articulate of people, but if people just did their homework and researched history and please anyone who lives in the USA look outside of the states for sources as it's quite well known around the world how censored your material is, in fact, the only real way to do it (and this goes to everyone in the world) is to look from different nations sources to get any close idea to what was actually going on in these places, and just read for gods sake (no pun intended) and see for yourselves how Christian and now Muslim faiths have been used as tools of war and power, and then tell me how you see religion being the best way of life.
I believe in morals, with good morals, you get the basics of religion but without the control, you make your own mind up how to live your life. And you're the better for it, without getting yourselves mixed up in conflicts around the world.

Final Thoughts:
Sorry for dragging this post on, but here is something that I hope everyone agrees with, as it's surely one of few roads we can take that will involve the least hatred. Have you ever travelled before? Ever been to another part of the world, you've learned of parts of their culture and now you've gone and experienced how different their way of life is? This is the beauty of differences, I can't understand why there are people out there who want to take over the world, and spread their own beliefs on it, when there is so much varied beauty out there. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could go visit every culture as it's meant to be, not go anywhere in the world and there be a McDonalds there or a Starbucks, or Churches and Mosques, or even skyscrapers.. It's just not neccessary. The world as we know it is heading for something big, you can trace it through history, we have two competing religions and this won't settle itself, we can only hope that it doesn't end all life on this planet, because even a small nuclear blast may only wipe out a state or a small country, but that will have a snowball effect on the rest of the planets eco-system.

I hope what I said wasn't too biased, I generally have an open mind, but we all have our own feelings about things. I know I was very anti religion, I know people who it has helped enormously and I am glad if it helps users of this forum too, I just want you to keep an open mind about it and to know everything about what you support by following your faith, remember, you can't know where you are going, if you don't know where you've come from. peace

its just funny to me, thats a god would punish his people, knowing BEFORE THEY WHERE BORN, they will go to hell.

It sounds like an immature child to me than a god.
What kind of person tortures people just because they dont listen to him/her or they dont follow his/her rules.

I mean we all have our own opinion and sets of beliefs, and just because a 2000 year old book say my beliefs are wrong i have to go to hell for that?
Why wont god just come and show himself to me, show me the right way? instead he sends someone that has only been quoted by 2 historians at the time he existed to deliver and message and have some books and no one knows who wrote passed down to us?

why cant he come down right now?

is he on vacation or something? so when he comes back from vacation he will destroy the world?

he spends his time making it just to destroy it at the knowing, WHILE KNOWING WHAT WILL HAPPEN, since he can see the future!!!!

SOUNDS BRILLIANT!!!

i know i sound ignorant but thats how i approach religion since all its beliefs are set around ignorance and not having people to think independently

number 1 are people getting counted for extra posts because some of these comments are incredibly long, also as a devoutly raised catholic i do not believe in gaynes in general and as the child of 2 phsycologists i have been told that homosexuality is caused by the lack of a specific chemical in the brain which causes an imbalance of hormones as well as an all over different mental state so while this does prove that homesexuality is a problem it also proves that people dont have a choice in the matter and because of this i dont think tha homo's should be persecuted byt at the same time i dont think they should be able to marry or adopt but, i digress how the hell did this go from a discussion about people you hate to a discussion about religon thus i propose we either a new thread with the title religon or get back to the original topic.

ps. most people i kno who are atheist are pretty cool but, the rest i know are a bunch of opinionated democratic a-holes who shove there ideas down others throats keep in mind im speaking of the minority of them, also.... nm thats all ive got

pps. we know who wrote the new testament there names are the titles of the books

and second, god knows everyones faith, he knows what you do before you do it, he knows when you are born and when you die.
So if he knows your faith, then he would know i would be a non believe and go to hell.
so why does he let me be born.
he knows im going to hell, than whats the point of letting me born? to go to hell? and DONT even say that it never says in the bible god knows your faith and what you do before you do it. I have heard it form my preacher when i was a christain, and i've seen it in the bible.

Easy, I thought of it today: Everyone has to make the choice. Everyone has the chance to make the choice and if you don't make the right one, then thats bad for you. There would be no such thing as free will if everyone would automatically have the right choice.

EDIT: He is not torturing you, he simply lets you make up your own mind. Please stop calling God an 'immature child that doesn't get his way'. You have referred to him as this several times. If you make the wrong choice then sucks for you, you had a lifetime to make it and God gave you the chance. You can't just live a lifetime of rejecting God and refusing his word then expect to still go to heaven?

BECAUSE then YOU would be acting like an IMMATURE CHILD that doesn't get your way .

Also, he is giving you this time to accept his word, if you accept it then nothing will happen to you and you will not be destroyed, but if you are stubborn and ignorant then you will see the just part of God.

And CHristianity is not set upon ignorance, you have your own mind. You whether accept it or you don't. You either believe in His word or you don't. No one is forcing you to do anything you make your own choice.

AND oh my! For the last time, we know who wrote the books of most of the Bible, they speak of their works and travels inside the books. Do you actually think no one knows you wrote Revelations?