Official Religion Debate Thread

Good one Ace. well put!

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When they say "sons" as a plural they do not mean fathered or begotten, what they mean is since god created all the peeps on the world he is metaphorically they're father.

I was hoping someone would say exactly that!
I do not want an argument either, so I won't accuse any of you of misinterpreting, but lets break the passages down into parts after I define some words for you.

Begotten as used in John 3:16 is a 700+ year old word that means "to procreate as the father". Procreate (save you the trouble of looking it up) means to beget or bring forth as in offspring or more simply, to reproduce. A "son" by definition is nothing more than a male descendant.

Genesis 6 verse two and 4 are very specific to differentiate between mortal men and the sons of god.

The way the verse is written it makes clear that sons of god are not the people that god created but they are in fact the sons of god! It is erroneous to inject metaphor to a passage that is so plainly written. If the entire book of Genesis was read and understood up to this point how could the passage be interpreted any other way?
Some say those sons of god were angels. It is possible but that is not what is written, the passage says "sons". That is why after "the daughters of men"(clearly mortals), "bore children to them"(the sons of god). Those children grew up to become "the mighty men who were of old, men of renown".

The legend of Hercules is not in the bible. However, he is described as the product of a god and a mortal woman. He could be defined as a man of renown.

I chose those two passages for that specific reason, you took the bait, sorry. Guess someone had to.

God took his self, "procreated" it and in a way duplicated it and sent it to earth, this was the metaphor for his own son because he concieved the son as himself

You still hav no point, and i need a spellcheck...

You're pushing it son

God took his self, "procreated" it and in a way duplicated it and sent it to earth, this was the metaphor for his own son because he concieved the son as himself

What? No offense do a grammar check too.

Bible class anyone?

Bible class anyone?

Go for it. Teach us.

i wont teach.
to me this was page looked like it needed some comic relief even if it wasnt so funny.

but i do also have something to say.
first of all how could god have "procreated" or in other words made a child in the first place?
that in the bible is sinning. and since he sinned, im sure it wouldnt be right for him to just repent and ask himself for forgiveness. it just wouldnt make sense at all. so if it is true that he did "procreate jesus" then who is he going to ask forgiveness?
second of all, whom ever is right in this situation, must admit in every way the bible is EXTREMELY misleading and pretty much sends you to one answer every single time, which just happens to be, even if you dont have proof in god believe that he is real just because a priest/ church official says so.

whom ever is right in this situation, must admit in every way the bible is EXTREMELY misleading and pretty much sends you to one answer every single time, which just happens to be, even if you dont have proof in god believe that he is real just because a priest/ church official says so.

Thank you Equ1ox for your neutral but sensible response.

All I want to do is to get people to form their own sensible and rational understanding of the bible instead of what has been accepted by the masses or injected in as metaphor or to just accept it as god's will.

Why would God make his holy text so difficult for our mortal minds to understand? An all knowing all powerful being can't dumb it down more than this? My belief is that if the bible were truly divinely inspired he/she would not make it so confusing for us. Yea I said she.

God may have made man in his own image according to the book of Genesis but only females produce offspring. Oh and microbes split in half and I don't want to see no links about the pregnant man that is just freaky!

Yea I question all of it, you reading this should too. Perhaps if people would learn about all of the older texts that existed before the bible they would see how unoriginal most of the concepts and ideas within it really are.

I do not want to upset anyone I just want to show those that will listen that there is another truth one that is not in this or that version of the same basic text.

God took his self, "procreated" it and in a way duplicated it and sent it to earth, this was the metaphor for his own son because he concieved the son as himself

What? No offense do a grammar check too.

NO there are no grammar mistakes, don't use that as an excuse!

I checked this one, there were no grammar mistakes

first of all how could god have "procreated" or in other words made a child in the first place?
that in the bible is sinning.

Dude don't even go there, since when is it sinful to make another entity of yourself, and it's not even sinning to procreate what are you even talking about?

And the whole point of bringing Jesus (I'll say that from now on instead of son bekuz it's the same thing) to earth is so that he could say that he has lived as a man without sin, so that he could bring himself down to the level of being able to sacrifice his son.

I'll edit in a second after I read Que's


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Why would God make his holy text so difficult for our mortal minds to understand? An all knowing all powerful being can't dumb it down more than this? My belief is that if the bible were truly divinely inspired he/she would not make it so confusing for us.

WTF?!?!?!

Dude seriously you are so miserably wrong that it's insane!

1.)GOD DIDN'T WRITE THE BIBLE!!!!
2.)The people who wrote the bible made this so that it could make the text have more and deeper meanings
3.)I still need a spellcheck

What you guys are saying leaves me speechless as to how much someone could read everything sooo wrong and make sooo many incorrect assumptions.

Why don't you guys understand that the books of the bible were written circa 2000 ago?!? It's obviously not gonna be easy to read for us, especially for you 2 because you keep misinterpreting the easy-to-understand parts...

s0 far eveything that you guys have said to bash the bible, I have proven incorrect s0 keep it coming...

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wait a minute this thread is still going? 0.0

how can any of us interpret what the guys were trying to say??? none of us were there! you might as well try to find the deeper meaning in your alphabet soup! anything can have a metaphor thrown into it! wiping my A$$ could have some deeper meaning. so no one should be bashing someone elses interpretation of the bible cause everyone's is going to be different and no one is likely to even be close to the true meaning. i dont even believe whats written in the bible and still can see the pointlessness of trying to figure it out.

1.)GOD DIDN'T WRITE THE BIBLE!!!!
2.)The people who wrote the bible made this so that it could make the text have more and deeper meanings
3.)I still need a spellcheck

Thanks mouse, it is what I have been trying to tell everyone from the start.

Class dismissed!

If procreation is as another said it above in a previous post, that procreation is pretty much the creation of offspring.
which the creation of offspring, having to do with of course s*x, IS sinning.
Also, then IF god did not write the Bible (which yes i already knew) then that also means that people of the church itself could have changed it to their liking and you could just be following a lost cause altogether and not even realize it.
for all you know Jesus could have been a woman and the Bible just depicts him as a man because everyone of that time would rather of had a man than a woman leading the people of Israel. which i might add is still like that today in Israel that its people rather be lead by a man than a woman.

Well he did have some long hair . Some say that he was very intimate with Mary Magdalene, so I'm guessing Jesus is a Man.

But we'll never know. hopefully someone builds a time machine. if they do i think a lot of people would want to destroy it because if someone found out a religion was fake, i know alot of people that would commit suicide or worse.