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What faith do you practice, or would most closely associate your beliefs with?

Christianity
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48%
Buddhism
1
2%
Hinduism
1
2%
Judaism
1
2%
Agnosticism / Atheism
15
25%
Other
3
5%
None or Undecided
5
8%
I'm not sure
5
8%
 
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:58 pm

crait wrote:What right is given to the government that allows them to dictate who we should be married to?
What gives them the right to say how we're allowed to marry or even when we're allowed to marry?



I agree with whoever it was up there that said the government shouldnt have the right to marry, the church should.
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Post Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:47 pm

Before we started "taking God out of things" there was still violence and adjusting for increases in population, we today are a more violent people, but the background of Christian faith in the United States is still pretty darn bloody. Lack of religion is part of it, yes. I believe if there were more Christians in the United States who settled with the same types of morals and values that the United States would be a better place. However, at the same time, if we were a country of mostly Buddhists or another religion, predominantly, I think we'd be just as good as far as settling differences goes without resorting to violence.

I think there's lots of contributing factors for increases in violence, namely money. The corruption of monetary power lies in the privately-controlled Federal Reserve and helps dictate corruption in a country-wide fashion across the world.

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Post Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:13 am

FAITH. Do you believe in faith or no?

answer these

Do you fly on airplane?
Do you know the pilot?
Do you know his credentials?
Do you know EVERYTHING 100% about areodynamics?
Do you know the crew or there credentials?
Do you knww that there are no Terrorist on the plane? (not just muslims like all ppl think, can be any race)


Do you eat out?
Do you know where that animal or vegi came from?
Do you know who cooked it?
do you know nothing was done to your food?
Do you know its cooked right?
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Post Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:20 pm

Having faith in a legally licensed commercial aircraft pilot with a degree and a cool hat is different than putting your faith in a supreme being...

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Post Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:23 pm

DarkPacMan77 wrote:Having faith in a legally licensed commercial aircraft pilot with a degree and a cool hat is different than putting your faith in a supreme being...

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What about an illegal immigrant who doesn't know English without any credentials that cleans your house?
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Post Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:28 pm

DarkPacMan77 wrote:Having faith in a legally licensed commercial aircraft pilot with a degree and a cool hat is different than putting your faith in a supreme being...

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How?

You still dont know what you putting your "faith" into. what is the difference.

How do you know he has good creds? or if the plain wasnt hijacked?
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:32 pm

The point I'm getting at is that you can be a faithful person or not have faith in anything at all, but having faith in the Lord is entirely different. "Faith" is not a "bible-only" type of word, is what I'm trying to say.

Simply put, heck, I don't know any pilots credentials and don't really care. I trust the airliner company's decision that they found a guy that knows how to fly planes and isn't a terrorist. So I have faith that the scenario won't unfold into a scene of chaos but that doesn't mean that it is a faith-based dependence on my decision to not care too much. It's just a decision I made.

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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:25 pm

He never said Faith was a bible only term, and then went as far to give real world examples.

No, you dont trust the airliner company, you have faith that they will pick the right person for the job. You have faith this person actually is a pilot and did not just make up a diploma.
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:20 pm

Trust and faith, in this respect, mean the same thing. I have faith in them because I trust them and I trust them because I have faith in them. Having faith, however, still does not imply any religious value.

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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:28 pm

BKFraiders7 wrote:Tell me, was the United States better before the US started taking God out of everything?

I just want to throw in that just because "in god we trust" is on the money" realize it may not be the god you are thinking of. Just so you know, there are few if any "Christian" monuments in D.C.

There are plenty of Egyptian and Greco-Roman monuments there but I can't think of a single Judeo-Christian example.

Makes me wonder which "god" they are taking out of everything.

If it is the one you are thinking of, was he ever there in the first place?
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:48 pm

Faith is actualy different from religion yes they are one in the same however i have faith that my tv isn't killing me, yes scientificly i know it isn't but i have faith in those secondary observations, i have faith when or if i ever get sergery they are doing their job.
just wanted to point that out. + what DPM said basicly. as ive had this discussion before.
having Faith however [Disclamer this is not ment to be offencive these are my views im sorry in advance]
in a supreme being that has no proof, no mathmaticle value, is literaly nothing, i can't have,
However, look at it this way; if you believe in god and you die :-) if you don't nothing much different, but if you dont believe in god and he does exist your fine aswell as he forgives all 'aparntly' so does it really matter?
if he forgives all it doesnt make a difference its not like tinkerbell in peter pan, if you dont believe she'll die, i personaly would like to see this thread die but thats not my choice and i like a discussion so im going to say this:

its Your opinion no one elses that counts what matters is if you act on your opinion and start forcing it onto other people like hitler did.
just believe in what you want to believe but reacting and trying to force something onto someone just makes other people believe your forcing that religious view or w/e onto them because really your actually trying to convince yourself it exists.
the main stuff i want read is the bottom half. if you dont have time to read it all.

PS im sorry for any damage or anything i have actualy caused if anything in this offends please glady shout at me and i'll remove it, im just stating my opinion that i felt should be expressed and thought about.
Have fun talking about your views :-)
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:01 pm

que13x wrote:
BKFraiders7 wrote:Tell me, was the United States better before the US started taking God out of everything?

I just want to throw in that just because "in god we trust" is on the money" realize it may not be the god you are thinking of. Just so you know, there are few if any "Christian" monuments in D.C.

There are plenty of Egyptian and Greco-Roman monuments there but I can't think of a single Judeo-Christian example.

Makes me wonder which "god" they are taking out of everything.

If it is the one you are thinking of, was he ever there in the first place?


What an outlandish comment. Yes I know what God they are speaking of. Its funny how you think it isnt the Christian God they are speaking of. I see no evidence its not.
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:10 pm

BKFraiders7 wrote:What an outlandish comment. Yes I know what God they are speaking of. Its funny how you think it isnt the Christian God they are speaking of. I see no evidence its not.

Not a single cross(that isn't attached to a steeple) that I know of or even an image of the 10 commandments can be found in the capitol.

Offer some some evidence that it is.
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:39 pm

The reason you dont see any of this is because (as people have stated here) is the separation of church and state and them taking Christianity out of everything.


What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.
- George Washington

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.
- George Washington

It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.
- George Washington

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.




Now, after reading all that, you have to be a complete ignorant moron to doubt and deny that our government, as well as there not being, the Christian God in the United States of America.
- George Washington

We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions...
- George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ.
- George Washington, Prayer

True religion affords to government its surest support.
- George Washington

Samuel Adams, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

I ... [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
- Samuel Adams

We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.
- Samuel Adams

The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe (Proverbs 18:10). Let us secure His favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.
- Samuel Adams

United States Congressional Endorsement of the Bible and God

Congress printed a Bible for America and said:
"The United States in Congress assembled ... recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States ... a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools."
- United States Congress 1782

Congress passed this resolution:
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
- United States Congress 1782

By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:
"In God We Trust"
- United States Congress 1864

John Adams, President of the United States of America, First Vice President, Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Bill of Rights, and Signer of First Ammendment

We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
- John Adams and John Hancock

The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
- John Adams

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
- John Adams

The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.
- John Adams

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
- John Adams

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.
- John Adams

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
- John Adams

[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
- John Adams

As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.
- John Adams

John Jay, First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty - as well as privilege and interest - of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
- John Jay

The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.
- John Jay


John Hancock, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
- John Adams and John Hancock


Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”
- Benjamin Rush

Thomas Jeferson, President

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.
- Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man
- Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America

In regards to this great Book [the Bible], I have but to say it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this Book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are found portrayed in it.
- Abraham Lincoln

I am busily engaged in study of the Bible.
- Abraham Lincoln

This nation under God
- Abraham Lincoln, Gettysberg Address and inscribed on Lincoln Memorial

Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh. (Matthew 18:7)
- Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
- Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial


United States Supreme Court

"This is a Christian nation"
- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian...This is a Christian nation"
- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892


Washington Monument

Holiness to the Lord (Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zechariah 14:20)
- Washington Monument

Search the Scriptures (John 5:39)
- Washington Monument

The memory of the just is blessed (Proverbs 10:7)
- Washington Monument

May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence
- Washington Monument

In God We Trust
- Washington Monument

"Praise be to God" (engraved on the monument's capstone in Latin as "Laus Deo")
- Washington Monument

Harry S. Truman, President of the United States of America

"The fundamental basis of this Nation's law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul."
- Harry S. Truman

"This Nation was established by men who believed in God. ... You will see the evidence of this deep religious faith on every hand.'
- Harry S. Truman


Dwight D. Eisenhower, President of the United States of America

"Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first, the most basic, expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America saw it, and thus with God's help, it will continue to be."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower



"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulties."
- Abraham Lincoln, President, March 4, 1861 inaugural address

"I believe that the next half century will determine if we will advance the cause of Christian civilization or revert to the horrors of brutal paganism."
- Theodore Roosevelt, President


"America was born a Christian nation".
- Woodrow Wilson, President


"This is a Christian nation."
- Harry Truman, President


"[The United States is] founded on the principles of Christianity"
- Franklin D. Roosevelt, President


Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America

Of the many influences that have shaped the United States into a distinctive nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.
- Ronald Reagan

Deep religious beliefs stemming from the Old and New Testaments of the Bible inspired many of the early settlers of our country, providing them with the strength, character, convictions, and faith necessary to withstand great hardship and danger in this new and rugged land. These shared beliefs helped forge a sense of common purpose among the widely dispersed colonies -- a sense of community which laid the foundation for the spirit of nationhood that was to develop in later decades.
- Ronald Reagan

The Bible and its teachings helped form the basis for the Founding Fathers' abiding belief in the inalienable rights of the individual, rights which they found implicit in the Bible's teachings of the inherent worth and dignity of each individual. This same sense of man patterned the convictions of those who framed the English system of law inherited by our own Nation, as well as the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
- Ronald Reagan

For centuries the Bible's emphasis on compassion and love for our neighbor has inspired institutional and governmental expressions of benevolent outreach such as private charity, the establishment of schools and hospitals, and the abolition of slavery.
- Ronald Reagan

The Congress of the United States, in recognition of the unique contribution of the Bible in shaping the history and character of this Nation, and so many of its citizens, has by Senate Joint Resolution 165 authorized and requested the President to designate the year 1983 as the ``Year of the Bible.''
- Ronald Reagan

Inside the Bible's pages lie the answers to all the problems that mankind has ever known. I hope Americans will read and study the Bible.
- Ronald Reagan

Congress - First Prayer in Congress

O LORD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, high and mighty King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, who dost from Thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth, and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the kingdoms, empires and governments; look down in mercy we beseech Thee, on these American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor, and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring henceforth to be dependent only on Thee; to Thee they have appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious design of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their cause; and if they persist in their sanguinary purpose, O let the voice of Thy own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the counsels of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation, that the scene of blood may be speedily closed, that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety prevail and flourish among Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Savior. Amen.
- First Prayer in Congress September 7, 1774, Jacob Duche, Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia
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Post Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:00 pm

@BKF WOW........Nice research =)
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