Jacque fresco and the venus project

Well havent done youtube videos in a while, but after watching the Zeitgeist movement orientation(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261) i really got pulled into the Venus Project(http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28&Itemid=66#4) and the person who came up with it.
This is when i found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZDCafc ... annel_page, the man who created the venus project
This man is a idol to me, his ideas are those that i wish to see implemented into the world.
This man was talking about this even in the 1974, here is his interview with Larry King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXBzE5q7Pw

I truly love this man, he to me is at the same levels as Einstein and Edison.

At first, i thought this idea was just another communist idea, but the more i researched it, the more i loved it. This truly is the best way to progress as humans
Tell me what you think

The man is 93, and still a genius, i hope one day he is praised for his work.
If you want to hear him talk more, here is a link, its very interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMlZWTF ... re=related

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Hmmmm.... Too many links.... Porn is just one click away....

Farquezy, I will probably be killed for posting this but...

Venus Project is an Illuminati front. I think you are familiar with Illuminati symbols no?

Notice the huge Sun in the background of this logo. The Sun is a dead giveaway. There are 3 peaks of the buildings if viewed from overhead would form a triangle. If you pay close attention from the children's heads to the parent's heads you can see the half built pyramid. What do you think those spots are fading away into the sun? They represent the "thousand points of light" Bush senior was referring to in his NWO speech. Why else would they be there? When was the last time you looked toward the sunrise or sunset and saw points of light as illustrated in the painting? What other reason would they have for being there?

Here is one of many existing Illuminati symbols set in stone:

Notice the triangle and the rays of light from the center outward as though it were the sun. Notice the archway overhead.

Another tipoff you should have picked up on is the name "Venus Project"

Illuminati are the so called Illuminated ones. In 1776, Adam Weishaupt, Professor of Catholic Church Canon Law at the University of Ingolstodt, Bavaria, founded the Order of Lucifer light bearers or Illuminati.

The Illuminati worship Lucifer (amongst other things) who was known as the light bringer. He was seen in the heavens in ancient times and was known as the morning star because it would be seen just before sunrise hence the name "Light bringer" The morning star of course is the planet Venus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer They also call themselves Illuminati because they believe themselves to be very intelligent. When you see a smart person you call them "brilliant" or "bright" or you may say "allow me to cast some light on the topic". In the Fox News clip the news anchor calls Fresco "brilliant". The concept of light represents knowledge. The thousand points of light represents people contributing to that knowledge. Just like the Venus Project states that the goal is to crank out as many smart people as possible for all of this to work. People can't see in the dark so the light reveals what is there hence the root of illumination in the name Illuminati. Also remember that it was the devil, Satan who used to be Lucifer that convinced Eve to take from the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Remember all of this was first mentioned in the first Zeitgeist film. The film buried Jesus once and for all. So it is fair to say that Zeitgeist is a tool of the "Anti-Chirst". [Added note: speaking of light bringers, Jesus states in John 8:12 "I am the light of the world". I guess someone had to take over for Lucifer.]

Immediately in the opening of the first link you see the planet earth focused on Madagascar with the word "ONE" right in the middle of the planet. Isn't the elimination of sovereign governments and the creation of one unified world state also a goal of the Illuminati? Is the concept of the United Nations not already working toward that goal? Why do you think there are so many Illuminati symbols on the "ONE" dollar bill? Need a clue? O-N-E has been a long stated theme/goal of the Illuminati.

BTW there are 13 layers of bricks on that half built pyramid. Don't say that it represents the colonies cause America isn't the first place that comes to mind when you think of pyramids.

There is a strong endorsement of environmentalism in Project Venus. Although pollution IS a very bad thing the Illuminati go overboard with it and put non living things such as rocks over people. It's like they worship nature they way they do in many pagan religions. Research Bohemian Grove for evidence of this.

Global warming is being used to scare people into going along with this new planet worship philosophy or "Gaia Hypothesis" The Gaia hypothesis was first formulated in the 1960s by James Lovelock, as a consequence of his work with NASA. He published the Gaia Hypothesis in journal articles in the early 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis. James Lovelock influenced the work of Roger Revelle. Revelle was one of the first scientists to study global warming in the 60s. Revelle also taught a young pupil at Harvard by the name of Albert Gore, who eventually "invented" the internet, became Vice president under Clinton and in 2004 won the Nobel Prize I bet you can't guess for what. Someone tell Al Gore that if CO2 was really causing global warming that sodas and beer would have been banned long ago! I wonder how come he hasn't gone after Pepsi or Coke...

Project Venus will never work today because of the mindset of 75% of the worlds population. 75% of the world wouldn't work if it didn't have to. Where is the motivation for the 25% that is smart enough to make all of this technology? Don't forget that mixed in there with that 75% are the greedy and the power hungry that feel a need to control others no matter what. So what do you do? You ELIMINATE them. This plan is already written in stone (literally) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The circular city concept near the end of the video is taken directly from Plato's description of Atlantis. If you recall Plato described Atlantis as a "perfect" and very technologically advanced society just like Project Venus! Coincidence? Do you know of Francis Bacon? You should because he is the REAL founder of America. Too bad his name reminds of pork bellies. Bacon wrote "The Novum Organum" a philosophical work published in 1620. The title translates as "new instrument". In Novum Organum, Bacon details a system of logic that he believes is superior to the old ways. Just like Project Venus! In 1623 Bacon expressed his aspirations and ideals in a paper called The New Atlantis http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/ ... antis.html . Bacon portrayed a vision of the future based on human discovery and knowledge(technology). There is even a DVD on it since you like movies so much. It is called "The New Atlantis: Riddles in Stone".

As you can see Project Venus isn't a new concept at all. The only difference is that technology has finally reached a point where it can all be made possible.

The current global economic crisis was no accident, It was started by Senator Phil Gramm when he slipped legislation into a thousand page omnibus bill late in the workday just prior to the holidays back in 1999. The legislation was never debated and yet it was approved by congress and signed by President Clinton. As a reward, Gramm's wife was granted a seat on Enron's board of directors (Senator Gramm couldn't accept it so his wife got it).

In a few years when $7.50/hr starts looking like a generous wage it is VERY possible that Project Venus will become one of the proposed solutions for the crisis. Project Venus fits very well into the Illuminati themes of "problem, reaction, solution" and my favorite "ordo ab chao" or order out of chaos. I believe your Idol is at the very least a pawn of the Illuminati. I find the fact that Jacque Fresco was discussing this in 1974 at the same time Al Gore was predicting the icecaps are melting no coincidence and suspect to say the least along with all of the connections and symbolism chosen for this project.

ONE MORE THING...

I like food. I don't really see the point of importing things from far away under Venus Project. Will I have to travel across the world just to get a good meal? If people don't consume certain things this would become waste and isn't eliminating waste one of the Venus Project's goals? I like to eat meat but there is no mention of how this would be provided to the populace, only hydroponic gardens are mentioned. Yea I been to the site, no answers so far.

wow u put alot of thought into this

its pretty hilarious what he did there though. really you can make anything sound like an illuminati plot to take over the world

Well havent done youtube videos in a while, but after watching the Zeitgeist movement orientation(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261) i really got pulled into the Venus Project(http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28&Itemid=66#4) and the person who came up with it.
This is when i found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZDCafc ... annel_page, the man who created the venus project
This man is a idol to me, his ideas are those that i wish to see implemented into the world.
This man was talking about this even in the 1974, here is his interview with Larry King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXBzE5q7Pw

I truly love this man, he to me is at the same levels as Einstein and Edison.

At first, i thought this idea was just another communist idea, but the more i researched it, the more i loved it. This truly is the best way to progress as humans
Tell me what you think

The man is 93, and still a genius, i hope one day he is praised for his work.
If you want to hear him talk more, here is a link, its very interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMlZWTF ... re=related

sometimes... never mind

Que, i really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hope you didnt write this and aren't being serious.
Also, Peter has said before he thinks global warming is partially due to humans, but its more of a natural process.
Jacque already said that his idea came from plato's description of atlantis, i dont remember where i heard it though, even if he didnt, so what?
The project isnt finished, its just a freaking concept.
Even if its part of the illuminati's plan, SO WHAT? Maybe the illuminati want the best for humans, how do you know?

I think your just jealous because Jacque and Peter are MUCH more intelligent then you .
Basically your saying this system we have today is better then the system proposed by Jacque?

And 99% of these things you said are unrelated to the Venus Project and in no way prove anything.

Also, where did you get that picture/poster of the venus project, because i cant find it anywhere on the venus projects main page or the zeitgeistmovement.com


CHECK THIS OUT PEOPLE
http://www.thevenusproject.com/


Venus project is a society without MONEY, without GOVERNMENT, without LAWS. Now with these key elements out of the way, I do not see how the Illuminati will be able to control us? except for our so called "natural given rights" of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. and no, its not anarchism

Even if its part of the illuminati's plan, SO WHAT? Maybe the illuminati want the best for humans, how do you know?

They don't want what is best for anyone they want control and could easily attain it by pulling the plug on a machine! If they wanted the best for humans then why put so many around the world through so much economic hardship? Assuming that if Project Venus did survey all of the minerals of the planet they would soon calculate how many humans could be sustained on the planet. You know about the population reduction plan. You tell me. Do you really believe that under Venus you can just wake up and do whatever you want all day, day in and day out? Why would anyone need to study and educate themselves? Self replicating machines? What happens when the machines are intentionally shut off? I think someone has been looking into WALL-E too much.

Basically your saying this system we have today is better then the system proposed by Jacque?

The system we have today is already controlled by the Illuminati via the central banks. Every country has one and the banks control all the money and credit. The boom times and the recessions. I would prefer to see a system where the central banks did not exist. Paul Warburg founder of the Federal Reserve said "give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws. Under any system someone will want to distinguish themselves and be above the rest. It always happens no matter what because humans are pack animals.

And 99% of these things you said are unrelated to the Venus Project and in no way prove anything.

Everything I stated is completely related so then you choose to ignore the facts I expressed. Illuminati works behind the scenes. Starting chaos then offering order. The Great Depression in 1933 was kicked off by rumors, Milton Friedman stated this in the 90s. The Illuminati footprints are only evident when you look back over the years. It is so plain to see. I am surprised you don't. Open your eyes and look.

Also, where did you get that picture/poster of the venus project, because i cant find it anywhere on the venus projects main page or the zeitgeistmovement.com

I googled Venus Project. I am not a machine, I won't do everything for you.

Venus project is a society without MONEY, without GOVERNMENT, without LAWS. Now with these key elements out of the way, I do not see how the Illuminati will be able to control us?

No system is perfect. In the end people are nothing more than animals and will revert to the law of the jungle given no other options. You are a fool if you believe that people will just all love one another forever and that will be enough.

Even if its part of the illuminati's plan, SO WHAT? Maybe the illuminati want the best for humans, how do you know?

They don't want what is best for anyone they want control and could easily attain it by pulling the plug on a machine! If they wanted the best for humans then why put so many around the world through so much economic hardship? Assuming that if Project Venus did survey all of the minerals of the planet they would soon calculate how many humans could be sustained on the planet. You know about the population reduction plan. You tell me. Do you really believe that under Venus you can just wake up and do whatever you want all day, day in and day out? Why would anyone need to study and educate themselves? Self replicating machines? What happens when the machines are intentionally shut off? I think someone has been looking into WALL-E too much.

Basically your saying this system we have today is better then the system proposed by Jacque?

The system we have today is already controlled by the Illuminati via the central banks. Every country has one and the banks control all the money and credit. The boom times and the recessions. I would prefer to see a system where the central banks did not exist. Paul Warburg founder of the Federal Reserve said "give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws. Under any system someone will want to distinguish themselves and be above the rest. It always happens no matter what because humans are pack animals.

And 99% of these things you said are unrelated to the Venus Project and in no way prove anything.

Everything I stated is completely related so then you choose to ignore the facts I expressed. Illuminati works behind the scenes. Starting chaos then offering order. The Great Depression in 1933 was kicked off by rumors, Milton Friedman stated this in the 90s. The Illuminati footprints are only evident when you look back over the years. It is so plain to see. I am surprised you don't. Open your eyes and look.

Also, where did you get that picture/poster of the venus project, because i cant find it anywhere on the venus projects main page or the zeitgeistmovement.com

I googled Venus Project. I am not a machine, I won't do everything for you.

Venus project is a society without MONEY, without GOVERNMENT, without LAWS. Now with these key elements out of the way, I do not see how the Illuminati will be able to control us?

No system is perfect. In the end people are nothing more than animals and will revert to the law of the jungle given no other options. You are a fool if you believe that people will just all love one another forever and that will be enough.

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You are a fool for not thinking that people can't live in peace and harmony together, what you think we are born thinking " lets hate, commit crimes, kill, and hurt others"?
No, it is our environment, our culture, and our society that shapes us into who we are.
In a society where there is no need to hate, there will be no hate.
In a society where there is no need to steal, no one will steal.
In a society where there is no need for war and killing, no one will kill.
IN A SOCIETY WHERE THERE IS NO NEED TO COMMIT CRIMES, NO ONE WILL COMMIT CRIMES.

The venus project, according to Jacque can support 3 times the current population of the earth, so i dont know where you get the population reduction bull crap from
You keep bringing up unrelated things, your putting a conspiracy in a conspiracy. your assuming that the ruling elite that want a monetary system full of obedient workers, suddenly want a resource based economy with no workers.
You logic is makes no sense and is from assumptions
you also are assuming things that have not been tested, such as saying people could never live in peace.

And i like how you try to educate me about the illuminati when i was the one who always talked about them.
From all the crap i hear about the Venus Project, i've never heard this one before. At least the other argument makes sense, this one your present is all full of assumptions with no legit analysis.
The venus project is the EXACT opposite of the plan of the illuminati.
This advocates a society with no laws, no armies, no governments, no wars, and no money, sense when is this what the illuminati want?

you sound like a Alex jones worshiper, the freaking master of propaganda.

Its these thought that are keeping society back, not allowing use to improve ourselves.

THIS SYSTEM IS NOT PERFECT, but its a step closer. That how society has been, every time there is a new idea, many oppose, but the few, the intellectual always prevail and better society, and every time we come closer to perfection, its time again for a step closer, and big step for mankind which will be a step that will get us closer to perfection

And again to ask questions that have not been tackled, the project has no been finished, and as i said, nothing is perfect,
but things can be better. And i dont know what happens if machines are intentionally shut down.

Also, this is how food will be distributed.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joo ... emid=65#37

Just list your main problems with the project, and let me address them instead of saying " of in 1933 blah blah" or " its illuminati blah blah" these are irrelevant.
But ANYTHING is better then what we have now, well maybe not anything, but this definitely is.
And i really dont see how you think this is a illuminati plan.

its pretty hilarious what he did there though. really you can make anything sound like an illuminati plot to take over the world

i hope this is what he is doing and trying to test me, because im like really surprised.
Actually, i think he is lying. Last time i talked to Que, he actually really like Peter Joseph and his ideas. HA, you are just playing with me Que, right?

And wow, que. that poster you posted was made by a fan and no one related to the project, here is proof http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... tgesi733CQ

im just.... steeler im with you wherever you are on this arguement

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I have to....

its pretty hilarious what he did there though. really you can make anything sound like an illuminati plot to take over the world

i hope this is what he is doing and trying to test me, because im like really surprised.
Actually, i think he is lying. Last time i talked to Que, he actually really like Peter Joseph and his ideas. HA, you are just playing with me Que, right?

No one is arguing, we are having a debate.

Peter Joseph is a smart guy I will give him that but he is advocating communism only that machines do all the work instead of people. I mean look at what he recommends about cars and bikes, you just grab one and take off and when you are done you put it back in the "common pile" it is the peoples bike, the peoples car, the peoples food. There are over 300 million Americans in this country and if you think that all of them will just take what they need and nothing more you are a fool. Communism and socialism both look good on paper but don't work in practice because of human nature. People always take more than they need. I mean look at the multi billionaires around the world. A person couldn't spend one BILLION dollars in a lifetime but do these people retire? No they keep trying to earn more and more even though they can't use all of it. You would need to eliminate this trait for Project Venus to work.

And on that, the poster was made by a fan fine, I will drop my criticism of the poster but the bottom line is Venus is the morning star represented by lucifer the light bringer. Lucifer is the jealous angel banished from heaven in legend that became the devil Satan and is responsible for all the pain and suffering in the world. Good name(sarcasm). The project could have been called anything else but it had to be called project Venus. Peter Joseph had to be smart enough to know his mythology. Project Venus doesn't sound cool nor is it descriptive of the ultimate goal so why call it "Project Venus"? What did the god Venus(or the planet) have to do with a Utopian cashless lawless society? I don't know

So Jacque fresco intended for the cities to be modeled after the mythical Atlantis? HA! I figured it out, but why wasn't the project called unity or something else?

im just.... steeler im with you wherever you are on this arguement

LOL yeahh... me and you are on the same page, which is why I'm probably not going to revisit this post anymore

im just.... steeler im with you wherever you are on this arguement

LOL yeahh... me and you are on the same page, which is why I'm probably not going to revisit this post anymore

explain yourself