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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:29 pm

well... almost every bloody communist regime is tyrranical
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:33 pm

I tried to read all of this... i really did, but it was to dry and boring and also i just wanna say that communism is incapable of working due to a single fact people= greedy and hate filled and also not everyone is equal.....some are smarter than others and some think theyre better than others so, communism cant work....
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:58 pm

light_alistor wrote:well... almost every bloody communist regime is tyrranical
well thats like saying "democracy and republic suck, look at rome, iran, and germany they all are peaces of s^#!
DracoDarco wrote:I tried to read all of this... i really did, but it was to dry and boring and also i just wanna say that communism is incapable of working due to a single fact people= greedy and hate filled and also not everyone is equal.....some are smarter than others and some think theyre better than others so, communism cant work....
Who si talking about implementing communism
People are greedy and hate filled, well in a society with no money you cant be greedy.
And hate filled, well you can use that argument for anything.
"We cant have gas for cars because people are hate filled and will burn each other"
like wtf...i know its not best example, but im not thinking very hard
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:59 pm

farquezy wrote:
light_alistor wrote:well... almost every bloody communist regime is tyrranical
well thats like saying "democracy and republic suck, look at rome, iran, and germany they all are peaces of s^#!
DracoDarco wrote:I tried to read all of this... i really did, but it was to dry and boring and also i just wanna say that communism is incapable of working due to a single fact people= greedy and hate filled and also not everyone is equal.....some are smarter than others and some think theyre better than others so, communism cant work....
Who si talking about implementing communism
People are greedy and hate filled, well in a society with no money you cant be greedy.
And hate filled, well you can use that argument for anything.
"We cant have gas for cars because people are hate filled and will burn each other"
like wtf...i know its not best example, but im not thinking very hard


Greed, hate and other negative emotions do not come from money.
As long as there is one man who has more, or better than another, there will be greed.
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:28 pm

farquezy wrote:Holy f^$&ing crap dude, i think im a communist now.
Well not really, but just read like few pages of the Communist manifesto by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels.
This is so much better then the Bs they teach at school, they make communist sound like the worst thing in the world
Wait till you get to the part where they try to eliminate individuality, abolish the family and put children to work.

Most people that criticize communism have never read the Communist Manifesto. I have more respect for an informed view than I do for the one that just goes with the crowd.
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:49 pm

I argue with my teacher every day as to why communism is bad. She never has an answer except that it spreads and we like democracy(republic?) and don't want to be forced to convert and our freedoms taken away.
She said that communistic spread is what got us into the Cold 'War' and World War II but if it's so bad and spreads so fast enough that we should stop it, why isn't China trying to convert anyone into communistic rule?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Communist_States.png
How many of these communistic countries are trying to take over the wold?
This makes no sense.

People in the cold war and WWII were thrown into prison for being on the communist party of America or having anything to do with socialism. In my sociology class, we discussed which is the best political system. We put up like 10 different scenarios and problems and then we'd check off each box to see which would be best. It turned out that both socialism and communism were the best out of republicanism, capitalism, democracy, and a bunch of others. The only problem with them, my teacher said, was that there is a single person that is always in charge of everything and no way to make sure he doesn't become a tyrant.
If this problem was solved, I'd love to be a communist.
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:03 pm

book burnings, military control, no freedom of speech. thats all really lame crap. the problem with communism is its constantly oppressive of new ideas. try to protest in a communist country....
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:11 pm

crait wrote:She said that communistic spread is what got us into the Cold 'War' and World War II but if it's so bad and spreads so fast enough that we should stop it, why isn't China trying to convert anyone into communistic rule?
You teacher is incorrect about WWII. Communist Russia was an ally during this conflict. It wasn't until the war ended that Russia was made out to seem like a threat by Senator Joseph McCarthy. It was his rhetoric that started the cold war. Rhetoric also is responsible for the war on terror. I don't know much about China but it seems these days they are taking over the world economically and transforming themselves into a Federation over a Commune.

A representative republic is the best system. Laws are made and agreed upon before hand. This way anger and emotion stays out of the legislative process. If laws need to be made you have to have 2/3 of those present agree to whatever is stated after some deliberation.

I think small groups can live in harmony but large groups can not. Even today you have people that just don't have any respect for others and do whatever they want.
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:36 pm

Germany was communistic and was also the enemy in the war. Yes, Russia led to the whole ordeal with McCarthyism and stuff, but it was the horrors of Germany's version of communism that made everyone believe that communism was bad.
We were attacked by the Japanese by communistic Germany's say and then the whole letter thing to Mexico from Germany. These were the main reasons. But communistic spread was an underlying reason.
Believe, me, she's an idiot, but this much is true.

There is no 'best system.' Just ones that are really, really bad. All can work, they're just different and work differently.

And of course, all people can live in harmony. But- we have to all work together and compromise. And recycle!!
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:14 pm

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farquezy wrote:
light_alistor wrote:well... almost every bloody communist regime is tyrranical
well thats like saying "democracy and republic suck, look at rome, iran, and germany they all are peaces of s^#!
DracoDarco wrote:I tried to read all of this... i really did, but it was to dry and boring and also i just wanna say that communism is incapable of working due to a single fact people= greedy and hate filled and also not everyone is equal.....some are smarter than others and some think theyre better than others so, communism cant work....
Who si talking about implementing communism
People are greedy and hate filled, well in a society with no money you cant be greedy.
And hate filled, well you can use that argument for anything.
"We cant have gas for cars because people are hate filled and will burn each other"
like wtf...i know its not best example, but im not thinking very hard


Greed, hate and other negative emotions do not come from money.
As long as there is one man who has more, or better than another, there will be greed.
People have more because there is a monetary system, and being better then another person is competition, its not greed.
It seems like you try to say these are natural things that we instinctively just do.
These only come due to lack of resources in environment, it causes competition and greed. Well not all forms, but all the unproductive ones i can think of at the moment

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farquezy wrote:Holy f^$&ing crap dude, i think im a communist now.
Well not really, but just read like few pages of the Communist manifesto by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels.
This is so much better then the Bs they teach at school, they make communist sound like the worst thing in the world
Wait till you get to the part where they try to eliminate individuality, abolish the family and put children to work.
thats in the communist manifesto modern version?
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:36 pm

crait wrote:Germany was communistic and was also the enemy in the war. Yes, Russia led to the whole ordeal with McCarthyism and stuff, but it was the horrors of Germany's version of communism that made everyone believe that communism was bad.
Germany was fascist not communist. Under fascism you give up all your rights to the authority in power. Under communism everyone is supposed to share everything.
crait wrote:We were attacked by the Japanese by communistic Germany's say and then the whole letter thing to Mexico from Germany.
Germany had nothing to do with the attack on Pearl Harbour. If anything the US provoked the Japanese into attacking when we quit supplying them with parts for their equipment and oil to run it. There is even some evidence that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen just to gain public support for entering WWII just like 9/11 raised public support for invading Afghanistan. Your teacher sucks!
crait wrote:There is no 'best system.' Just ones that are really, really bad. All can work, they're just different and work differently.
Though I don't agree with this statement but you are entitled you your opinion so I yield.
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Post Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:36 pm

Germany was communistic not communist.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/communistic Check the dictionary.
Nazi Germany had a lot of communist beliefs/ideas and therefore, the US automatically decided they were bad even though the US was neutral at the time.

Plus, Germany wanted the US to get involved to take over everything, or at least what he could get.
He wanted the US to have a two front battle. Since we had a superior fleet, he wanted us to split it up.
Germany and Japan were allies in this battle. They went over everything together. Hitler, himself, probably didn't meet with that weird-eyed Japanese guy, but they did negotiate and plan stuff together.
They didn't provoke anything, they were practicing isolationism which is what we should be doing now.

And finally, I yield to your yielding.

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Rox Fox wrote:Greed, hate and other negative emotions do not come from money.

WHAT?!
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies and cuts through and captures the essence of evolutionary spirit. Greed in all of its forms, greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.
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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:41 am

farquezy wrote:
roxfox64 wrote:
Greed, hate and other negative emotions do not come from money.
As long as there is one man who has more, or better than another, there will be greed.
People have more because there is a monetary system, and being better then another person is competition, its not greed.
It seems like you try to say these are natural things that we instinctively just do.
These only come due to lack of resources in environment, it causes competition and greed. Well not all forms, but all the unproductive ones i can think of at the moment


Greed is natural. Just because you don't have to buy things doesn't mean you won't be greedy.
'More' and 'Better' can mean anything. They could mean more money, or more friends. They can mean a better T.V. or a better body. As long as there is something to have more or better of, there is greed.

Simple as that.
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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:05 pm

roxfox64 wrote:
farquezy wrote:
roxfox64 wrote:
Greed, hate and other negative emotions do not come from money.
As long as there is one man who has more, or better than another, there will be greed.
People have more because there is a monetary system, and being better then another person is competition, its not greed.
It seems like you try to say these are natural things that we instinctively just do.
These only come due to lack of resources in environment, it causes competition and greed. Well not all forms, but all the unproductive ones i can think of at the moment


Greed is natural. Just because you don't have to buy things doesn't mean you won't be greedy.
'More' and 'Better' can mean anything. They could mean more money, or more friends. They can mean a better T.V. or a better body. As long as there is something to have more or better of, there is greed.

Simple as that.
Wow, greed is natural?
please prove that.
Greed is NOT natural at all. Most people aren't even greedy
The fact that im not greedy proves its not natural. In order to say its natural it must be true to all people.
Having sex is natural, having babies is natural, wanting to not die is natural, but greed is not.
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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:43 pm

Farq. Greed is natural. Its as natural as love, hate, sadness, and happiness. Think of these four the same way you do primary colors.
Greed in fact is a combination of hate and sadness.

Greed is also a base for a primordial architecture.
Because everyone feels greed. Cavemen were greedy, the next people were greedy. the next people were greedy. There was greed amongst Indians(Native Americans) also. Ever seen the movie Apocalypto? Greed is a natural born emotion.

Lust for example IS greed. Its greed(Hate + Sadness) and Love.
One can't say the same for theft however. But, theft is not an emotion greed is.

Also, Greed is envy(Greed + more hate).
Greed is self-indulgence(Greed + Happiness).

Greed is many things, but most importantly:
GREED IS LIFE
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