Official Religion Debate Thread

I found something in "Information Week"

Apparently the chip is in a bracelet that is worn by the child on the ankle. It is intended to prevent unauthorized abductions of infants in nurseries.

I went back and read up on a topic made by user who had a somewhat unnecessary argument
with a science teacher in a public school. And I thought it would be interesting to share it here.

My teacher was trying to prove Jesus wasnt real the other day! this made me so mad! i wanted to get up and slap his face, then i realized that everyone in my class is frigging athiest except for like 2 people besides me, i raised my hand and told him he was wrong and every just glares at me... then he challenged me to prove Jesus is real, i told him the Bible, he said bibles fake, i told him to prove hes not real, he says science, i told him science is bull s*** and evolution is ridiculous, so he tells me to stay after class, guess what he friggin tells me. he said dont bring up religious stuff in class . should he get fired or what i dont like him anymore.

What are your guy's views on this? As a Christian from my view, sure, I'll agree with
the idea that public schools aren't allowed to bring up the topic unless it's a christian school,

But if you think about it, he also claim that Science and Evolution is the reason God is not real.
Which is completely retarded, because smart people should see Evolution and Science is just
an exploring journey of evidence behind God's way of creation. You don't use it to blow down someone's belief,
only use it to teach someone about interesting things in the world.

Evolution is a debate that will never be solved only because no one really knows exactly how life started on Earth. We did the how life started thread and got nowhere so I won't try to revive it here now.

Bottom line we need to know what happened on Earth in the beginning to determine how to teach this in the classroom.

My issue is that there are documents older than the bible that describe how life started on earth but they are largely ignored by the mainstream because of the popularity of Judaism, the belief system that is the root of Christianity and Islam.

I need to point out at this moment that Abraham is considered the MAJOR patriarch of Judaism and he was born in Ur, a Babylonian city according to Genesis 11:1-28. Coincidentally it is the much ignored Babylonian/Sumerian record that I am referring to when I speak of sources older than the bible.

When people look for the "truth" they normally stop way short. It is the equivalent of saying "Peaches come from a can in a factory" without giving any regard to the orchard that grew and delivered them there in the firs place.

That is where we are today in Religion.

Also

The evolutionary record is filled with many curiosities and contradictions that Darwin himself could not explain. So really, if evolution is well studied, it should not be a debate at all.

I went back and read up on a topic made by user who had a somewhat unnecessary argument
with a science teacher in a public school. And I thought it would be interesting to share it here.

My teacher was trying to prove Jesus wasnt real the other day! this made me so mad! i wanted to get up and slap his face, then i realized that everyone in my class is frigging athiest except for like 2 people besides me, i raised my hand and told him he was wrong and every just glares at me... then he challenged me to prove Jesus is real, i told him the Bible, he said bibles fake, i told him to prove hes not real, he says science, i told him science is bull s*** and evolution is ridiculous, so he tells me to stay after class, guess what he friggin tells me. he said dont bring up religious stuff in class . should he get fired or what i dont like him anymore.

What are your guy's views on this? As a Christian from my view, sure, I'll agree with
the idea that public schools aren't allowed to bring up the topic unless it's a christian school,

But if you think about it, he also claim that Science and Evolution is the reason God is not real.
Which is completely retarded, because smart people should see Evolution and Science is just
an exploring journey of evidence behind God's way of creation. You don't use it to blow down someone's belief,
only use it to teach someone about interesting things in the world.

Why cant both of them be right? People evolved, and jesus did exist.

One thing that comes to my mind about the bible though is that it was man made and maybe its just been preached so much and passed on to each generation from a "believing" parent that we've all been brainwashed and molded to the texts within the bible.

One thing that comes to my mind about the bible though is that it was man made and maybe its just been preached so much and passed on to each generation from a "believing" parent that we've all been brainwashed and molded to the texts within the bible.

I would not have put it so sharply but I think you are correct.

From an early age we are taught this and that about the bible, we learn to fear god and most of our friends do too, so we go along with it from an early age. I mean who wants to give up Christmas? It is like a second birthday. Who wants to give up Easter? It is like more candy than Halloween and none of the work!!

It is only later when we grow up and explore our individuality that we begin to question and wonder.

For some, this never happens and if they are the better for it so be it. But for others it leads to a shallow and meager existence and it is that fear of god that does not let them overcome doubt.

[DarkPacMan77]

I found a pocket version of the New Testament / Psalms Proverbs. Should I read it?

-DarkPacMan77-

so was jesus born in a cave or a manger?

I found something in "Information Week"

Apparently the chip is in a bracelet that is worn by the child on the ankle. It is intended to prevent unauthorized abductions of infants in nurseries.

That bugs me, I cannot find it. I might come across it at some point.

so was jesus born in a cave or a manger?

That all depends on whether you want to believe the gospels of Mathew or Luke.

I believe both accounts are wrong.

Mathew's account of the birth of Jesus is BS because only his version talks about Herod the Great killing off the first born boys of the time. (Just like Ramses did with Moses Hmmmm.) Herod's reign is well documented and he had many critics who would have loved to add the slaughter of the innocents to his long list of atrocities which include executing his own sons, a couple of wives and others. The slaughter of the innocents is ONLY recorded in the gospel of Mathew and nowhere else. Simply put, Mathew's account is either fiction or a lie.

Luke's account is BS because he states that Caesar Augustus ordered a census be conducted and that this is the reason that Joseph and Mary, who lived in Nazareth, were in Bethlehem. That is all fine except that the Romans kept records of their government. That is how come we know so much about them today and simply put there is no record of such a census at this time. Also if there was a census it would not make sense to have you move. The whole point of a census is to know where people ARE not where they came from or where they have been. So I categorize Luke's account with Mathew's as fiction at at best.

So if the birth of Jesus is in question you must also question his entire existence.

DISCLAIMER(not really)
I am no longer apologizing for telling the truth.

if there are so many interpretations why do people take the bible so literally? i mean with so many contradictions how can anyone see it as absolute word of the divine?

Because if the general public didnt have something to believe in, there would be more chaos and anarchy on earth

Because if the general public didnt have something to believe in, there would be more chaos and anarchy on earth

Odd you would say that because historically speaking, I believe it is the different beliefs that people have about religion that cause much death and suffering.

True enough, i just look at it as...for the people who follow their beliefs very closely and turn to it in times of crisis, it's the only thing that really keep them grounded. If it wasn't there, where would they turn to?

That is the point that I tried to make some time ago on this thread about the reliance on others and that lack of self independence that most religious people seem to have.

I don't know anyone like that.