Official Religion Debate Thread

[DarkPacMan77]

Also, Pluto isn't really a planet, but a dwarf planet.

that wasn't even the point...

-DarkPacMan77-

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Also, Pluto isn't really a planet, but a dwarf planet.

that wasn't even the point...

-DarkPacMan77-

Well it could've been. Like say, prove that pluto is a planet, then you would've, then I would've been like HAHA! It's a dwarf planet or something. But your right it wasn't the point.

@que
I didn't know you were gona stretch it that far lol, I guess I see where you got that from, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was just merely trying to compare experiences.

I didn't know you were gona stretch it that far lol, I guess I see where you got that from, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was just merely trying to compare experiences.

I hope you do not assume that I learned of this from this forum. I learned of the curiosity of the great flood on my own doing research AFTER I learned that many cultures and civilizations recorded the same. I was surprised to learn that there were records of it as far back as 5000BCE. My own belief is that the flood occurred 10,000 years ago or so and that it was likely a comet impact in the ocean that caused it though I have read that it could have been caused by the shifting crust.

The bottom line is that it is very improbable that ALL of the animals of the world or even a region could have been housed in a floating vessel and that the ENTIRE planet was covered with water as there is not enough water on the planet to cause this. The only way a total global flood could occur is if the planet's surface were completely smoothed out like a billiards ball.

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How did we get to talking about the flood? I was talking about pluto. I hope your not trying to argue with me about it because I didn't even say you were wrong... Or say anything about the flood.

I didn't know you were gona stretch it that far lol, I guess I see where you got that from, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was just merely trying to compare experiences.

The bottom line is that it is very improbable that ALL of the animals of the world or even a region could have been housed in a floating vessel and that the ENTIRE planet was covered with water as there is not enough water on the planet to cause this. The only way a total global flood could occur is if the planet's surface were completely smoothed out like a billiards ball.

God can create more water .
he is god remember?

oh.

i dont want to be dis respectful or anything
but do you Religious people think that Atheist are more open minded than you?
Answer with the truth, i asked a few religious people, only had a few say that atheist are more open minded.

I find that interesting, why did they stay religious if they know atheist are more open minded?

Mot sure but here are the 2 sides

Atheist:
They have probably been religious already and they have it set in their minds that they are right and they think all religion is bull so they think they have the priviledge to talk out of their a**es about religion and how it is false. But they usually jus bad mouth it and say 'prove it' when they know good and well you can't prove it either way so that statement is bull. But I don't mind people using that when people are trying to force something onto them lol. But i have no idea why when you are simply debating then someone would bring that up, since it goes both ways.

Religious:
Probably became religious at a young age and since they grew up with it then they won't wanna change their minds. Like if you grow up thinking Dr. Pepper is better than Coke it is basically the same thing.

But most Atheists that I have seen make comments they go straight to saying 'religion is all bull and it is used to control the masses and it is man made'. They say it with a very ignorant attitude and expect people to listen to what they are saying even though they are yelling at you and treating you like sh**. This goes back and forth and people get caught up in a cycle of stubbornness.

No telling who is more open minded, you can't stereotype all religions together since there are hundreds of religions or thousands of religions out there. And Atheists can be branched out from 'Never been religious' 'Used to be religious' and have subcategories of their age group. Since that usually ties into their maturity level. And I don't even know what I am saying I am just laying here on my bed.

Oh and Atheists are more likely to not let themselves get back into religion so they are the least open minded about what religion has to say. But thats just one man's opinion.

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I don't really know either. But I've always believed in backing up your own beliefs, and shouldn't doubt your own beliefs. I don't know, that's just me. I don't have a real good explanation for it besides the fact that why should I believe something that you question yourself. I think you could be open minded by listening to what someone has to say and not change your own personal opinion. If thats what you believe then you should stand behind your own opinion.

And the maturity age of atheists have to do a lot with how they answer, but most of all the atheist I have talked to just said the same exact thing adventwolf said, and then they don't want to listen to what you have to say about religion.

So I'd have to say anyone who believes what their religion teaches, is probably more open minded then young atheists. But it's probably even if your talking to someone mature who doesn't just constantly ask you questions telling you to prove everything, acting like your dumb or whatever just because you don't believe what they believe.

Yeah, and also I think the more people that you deal with about religion, the more ancy and frustrated you get. The more you deal with those people the less you are tolerant to deal with them.

[DarkPacMan77]

If you guys are trying to say that atheists/ Agnostics are more likely to be ignorant or immature
towards religion-based ideologies and beliefs then I suggest you take a look in the mirror.
Perhaps not yourselves personally; I'm not making an attack on you guys. Just think about what
you're saying. For every ignorant Atheist you can point out, I can point out an ignorant Christian.

I assure you that I'm more than capable of drawing a conclusion in my head based off of more
research than any of you would imagine. Being formerly associated with a religion, it personally
struck me deeply when I couldn't further justify the meaning behind my actions - why I was doing
things without questioning them... and after research, I noticed that everything that I'd read and
heard about religion being a tool of control and corruption could ALSO not be proven. So no, that
didn't make me believe that religion was false. What made me believe that religion
was false was that there wasn't NEARLY enough substance to prove that religion was able to debunk
the many alternative ideologies that I'd come across.

I didn't just open up a conspiracy book and take it for fact, but I wonder if many of you aren't already doing that right now and instead calling Atheists and Agnostics the "ignorant" and "immature" ones.

-DarkPacMan77-

HOOHOHOHOHO WOWOWWO YOU GUYS ARE STEREOTYPING!!! j/k
but i bet its true, because seeing myself, its is IMPOSSIBLE, for me to go religious again unless is can be proven.

But to me an open minded person is a person who questions his/her own beliefs, you know that kinda makes sense!
Your open minded, so you question what you have been told and taught.
Calling Atheist ignorant is extremely stupid, first time i heard that. First atheist seem to do way more research on topics and try to learn much more about what they have been thought and about things around the world. But religious people i think are just thought to believe whatever they are told with out researching it, will i was that way when i was religious, and seeing my family kind of proves my point

But calling us Immature is kind of true i believe. Seeing myself, and my best friend who always make fun of religious people and try to just destroy them in argument, i believe we are pretty immature. I cannot deny that is fun as f*ck because some of these people we argue with dont know sh*t about what they are talking about, its pretty funny.
Anyway, the only think im immature about is when it comes to religious discussions, but for my age i believe i am extremely mature, since my teacher even TOLD ME IM THE MOST MATURE IN MY CLASS!!!
That was a good complement

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@dpm
No, at least I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I just merely said what I said and meant what I said, nothing else. I didn't say all atheists are immature and I'm sorry if you thought I said that, but I didn't. I was just saying that most of the atheiests that I have personally talked to said almost the exact same thing advent said that they say, and they didn't want to listen to what I have to say. Like trying to talk to a brick wall.

@farquezy
I was trying not to be stereotypical, but that's kind've hard with the question you asked lol. I agree you do need to know what your talking about to an extent at the very least. But imo, "religious people" do study about what they believe to. Maybe they don't use the resources atheists use, but theres probably a reason for that!

Ok heres a better sentence for my definition of open minded:
An open minded person is someone who can listen and understand others points without making fun of them, or cutting them off/turning them down right there on the spot. An open minded person I believe, can also stand firm on their own beleives without questioning if they are right or not.

I noticed that everything that I'd read and heard about religion being a tool of control and corruption could ALSO not be proven.

Here is a start:

http://www.caesarsmessiah.com

Sorry guys but I didn't say that there are more immature and ignorant atheists than there are religious people, or anything like that. ALl I did was compare the two and add in that most atheists aren't willing to change their views since most of them have probably already been religious. Sounds ok right? Therefore already being religious then getting away from it you know for a fact you will never go back right? There you go, that is a block in the way of listening to what religious people have to say. Not all are like this, but it is just a roadblock to some.

I don't know why you guys got all mad, I didn't say anything bad.