Official Religion Debate Thread

Advent:
If human nature is sinfull than why is it our nature? cant god just change it?

well the answer that most religious believers would give is that god gave humans freedom of choice (free will) and its up to us to not engage in sinful acts/thoughts.
which I believe is a big gap in belief/understanding in God, as many say if god was an all loving god then why would he/she/it allow atrocities towards innocent people and children to happen? The unfortunate thing and to me personally extremely annoying and just a way to skirt away from the question is that many would answer this by saying that "God is beyond our comprehension" which to me is just a sugar coated way of saying "I have no idea and no answer".

I just can't stand the thought of believing in something so blindly (sorry believers in God) but there is absolutely no evidence that there is some entity that created us all, watches over us and judges the decisions we make in life, that's utterly ridiculous to me.

anyway most 'sinful' thought just stems from our animal instinct, because we are obviously animals (just with a higher brain capacity). Animals kill, have sex, steal, etc its just the way it is.

i just hate some of those religious people that say " you dont need proof you need faith"
or say " god lets people die and suffer because he has a plan for us"

I mean not all are like that, but the ones that say are are just ignorant lol.

Anyway, wtf is wrong with school these days, talking online is illegal now wtf?

"God is beyond our comprehension" which to me is just a sugar coated way of saying "I have no idea and no answer".

100% correct!

there is absolutely no evidence that there is some entity that created us all, watches over us and judges the decisions we make in life, that's utterly ridiculous to me.

I agree with everything you said except "no evidence that there is some entity that created us all" The evidence is all around us for those willing to seek it out.
Also we are not judged so much as we are appeased. If we wish for something enough we eventually have the opportunity to attain it. Our thoughts send ripples throughout the universe and the universe responds in kind. Know that Positive thoughts are more powerful than negative ones. This has to do with the type of waves the brain emits when we think.

example: "I hope I pass my test" is not as strong as thinking "I WILL pass my test". Thinking "I hope I do not fail" is equivalent to anticipating and attracting failure. If enough will is put into our thoughts, any thoughts, they will come to pass. "I hope I do not get sick" usually results with illness. "I will not get ill" can be as good as medicine. Look up the "Placebo Effect" if you doubt anything you have read so far. Understanding this we need to be careful what we think at all times so as to not trigger unwanted events.

most 'sinful' thought just stems from our animal instinct, because we are obviously animals (just with a higher brain capacity). Animals kill, have sex, steal, etc its just the way it is.

I agree.

but why does that mean credit should be given to some higher entity? can't the power of the human mind and ones own self be attributed to those positive aspects? and the ability for people to recognize positive feelings and to build on that to create their own positive ideas in turn?

The evidence is all around us for those willing to seek it out.

and why can't that be attributed to things like science (if you are talking about the world we live in) or to human ingenuity's or creativity (if speaking of human created/related aspects of life)

I am talking science. I have stated previously that things for us here on earth are too perfect to have occurred even by chance in the vast universe. Here is another example:

According to science the moon holds the earth on its axis otherwise, the planet would tilt up to 90 degrees at random causing chaos and wild temperature variances that would be a detriment to life.

Supporting links:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trevor_green/
http://stardate.org/resources/ssguide/e ... _moon.html

Additionally we have a magnetic field. Without it our atmosphere would have blown off into space long ago. Mars lacks a magnetic field. This is the reason for its thin atmosphere and likely the reason for the lack of visible water.

The earths core is radioactive. Do not let your natural science teacher tell you otherwise. Think about it. Why else would it still be hot enough to liquefy stone after 3.8 billion years?

Too many things on this planet are and need to be in our favor for us to exist. Once you come to realize all of this you realize that the odds of it occurring at random are really slim.

Advent:
If human nature is sinfull than why is it our nature? cant god just change it?

well the answer that most religious believers would give is that god gave humans freedom of choice (free will) and its up to us to not engage in sinful acts/thoughts.
which I believe is a big gap in belief/understanding in God, as many say if god was an all loving god then why would he/she/it allow atrocities towards innocent people and children to happen? The unfortunate thing and to me personally extremely annoying and just a way to skirt away from the question is that many would answer this by saying that "God is beyond our comprehension" which to me is just a sugar coated way of saying "I have no idea and no answer".

I just can't stand the thought of believing in something so blindly (sorry believers in God) but there is absolutely no evidence that there is some entity that created us all, watches over us and judges the decisions we make in life, that's utterly ridiculous to me.

anyway most 'sinful' thought just stems from our animal instinct, because we are obviously animals (just with a higher brain capacity). Animals kill, have sex, steal, etc its just the way it is.

Farq said that.

Too many things on this planet are and need to be in our favor for us to exist. Once you come to realize all of this you realize that the odds of it occurring at random are really slim.

i do realize that there are tons of things that are 'perfect' but it hasn't occurred at random, its taken billions of years for this to happen. and yes they are slim thats why it hasn't happened on other planets that we've discovered. i realize how small of a chance it is and i study a lot about the universe and the science behind how different aspects relate to each other, but it still doesn't lead me to believe that there is a God creating and maintaining it.

and sorry advent, i just copied it from one of the posts before

wait i said what?

anyway, que has a excellent argument there, but the problem is...:
There are billions of planets, just look in the sky, want proof? you see millions of stars at night when looking as the sky, and each stars carries around +3 planets if im not wrong.
No there are a good chance that one of those planets could be good enough to support life.
This process has taken millions of years, so its even more believable.

I mean thing about it, if there is really billions of planets than the chances of one being able to support life is boosted greatly

stars carries around +3 planets if im not wrong.

You are wrong. Not all stars have planets.

ah ok my bad. i wasnt sure about this

wait i said what?


There are billions of planets, just look in the sky, want proof? you see millions of stars at night when looking as the sky, and

Nope, I live in the city so I can't see any stars at night . Truth is we'll never know till we discover more. MAN how long would it take to explore the entire galaxy?! I don't think its possible..

The best we could do is get a computer to catalog everything into a database then we could look up specific search parameters. Otherwise we could never even put a dent in it even in a lifetime.

No way can we put a dent in it in our lifetime, and I don't think it will ever be done. That is just way too much space.

No way can we put a dent in it in our lifetime, and I don't think it will ever be done. That is just way too much space.

i agree...
but still i mean when i go over to my uncles farm and we look at the sky with his telescope, we see sooooooooooooo many stars its just amazing, and i just dont find it possible that so many stars can be there but no other planets that can support life

Obviously there are or were. My argument is that it is not as common as the Drake Equation would make it seem.