Government Love it or hate it

They didn't know about terrorists.

Netherlands have a better government.

The Dutch may let you smoke pot but they take a little over half of what you earn in the form of taxes. No one has to "work" and the country is a literal welfare state. I know this because I am in regular contact with people that are living there.

We also can not speculate on what the founding fathers would do if they saw our country today. Thomas Jefferson probably never expected us to keep the constitution that he helped draft. The truth is that the laws were written for their time period which was 200 years ago. A lot has changed since then.

[DarkPacMan77]

They didn't know about terrorists.

Our founding fathers, or the US government?

In either case, you're wrong, and it should be well known that the FBI paid for the acquisition of, construction of, and the act of terrorist violence that was carried out on the World Trade Center in 1993.

The King of England is a whole other story, but he was a terrorist in his own right, a "tyranny" as often referred, and yet when you fast-forward to the year 2008, two-hundred and twenty-five years after our land of false freedom and democracy that we know as the United States of America was essentially born, the Federal Reserve binds the entire United States to the same act of remote terrorism that the King of England did to the colonies those two-hundred and twenty-five years ago.

SLAVERY

-DarkPacMan77-

Our Founding Fathers.

yes it is the best one around, i love the gov. just not those who run it

i believe Netherlands have a better government.
Dont know much about it but from what i heard they have much more freedoms than we do? I might be wrong so correct me if i am wrong.

But i bet if our founding fathers were alive they would have committed suicide for creating such a nation that has done EVERYTHING they said we shouldnt do

if the netherlands is so much better.... why dont u live there.....

yes it is the best one around, i love the gov. just not those who run it

i believe Netherlands have a better government.
Dont know much about it but from what i heard they have much more freedoms than we do? I might be wrong so correct me if i am wrong.

But i bet if our founding fathers were alive they would have committed suicide for creating such a nation that has done EVERYTHING they said we shouldnt do

if the netherlands is so much better.... why dont u live there.....

well because first as i said i dont know much about it, i just know people have many more civil rights

second i didnt know a 14 year old can move to a different country by himself

Third, i would have to learn new language and culture and its just hard.

and Terrorist is sh*t. As Que once said to me, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I mean dude they are not terrorist, they are good people who have had their lives ruined by our government, if you dont know how ill explain

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yes it is the best one around, i love the gov. just not those who run it

i believe Netherlands have a better government.
Dont know much about it but from what i heard they have much more freedoms than we do? I might be wrong so correct me if i am wrong.

But i bet if our founding fathers were alive they would have committed suicide for creating such a nation that has done EVERYTHING they said we shouldnt do

if the netherlands is so much better.... why dont u live there.....

well because first as i said i dont know much about it, i just know people have many more civil rights

second i didnt know a 14 year old can move to a different country by himself

Third, i would have to learn new language and culture and its just hard.

and Terrorist is sh*t. As Que once said to me, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I mean dude they are not terrorist, they are good people who have had their lives ruined by our government, if you dont know how ill explain

Please explain how the terrorist that flew the plane into the World Trade Center is a good person, I could understand if we interfered with them somehow, but how did our government ruin their lives and how are they good people? I agree with that quote part way, but I don't believe however you should just attack someone that you don't agree with their beliefs. If they interfered with your life somehow that's a different story, but if they attack you just because they don't believe what you believe? That's wrong. I don't know if our government was messing with them or not, but I don't believe so.

If you were talking about something else, like about a certain group in general then disregard what I said, but I just saw that you said terrorism is "bullsh!t", so yea. You didn't really specify that you were talking about a certain group.

Let's not discuss 9/11 unless someone knows exactly why building 7 fell. If you have not heard about building 7 read up.

there is some kinda wierd stuff about 9/11 but to think that the government would plan it is sort of absurd :/

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Ok well I was just using it as an example, it can be used for anything, like bombing abortion clinics.

Lol just because you can smoke pot in the Netherlands they have a better government than we do? It's the Netherlands, not a big US.

Yah advent i said i dont know much about it.

Ace after you hear about WTC 7, and watch this documentary http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=147 (at the bottom says "watch movie" press on that, the youtube link is just a trailer) i PROMISE you will change your mind. Trust me, you dont want to get into a 9/11 argument with me haha

Anyway, ok these terrorist just dont become terrorist because of religion. Most Americans dont understand so i will try to make you understand.

Well first of, the U.S. is the biggest terrorist. Why you say? will during the entire Iraq war, the U.S. has killed more than 600,000 Iraqi civilians, thats someone mom, friends, brother, sister, child! The terrorist have only killed 22,000.
Now you ask why there are terrorist.
Will lets say in like a few days Russia attacks the United States. They are bombing all places, killing thousands of people, these people are someones family, someone's friends. Now when you have had your family killed, your mom raped, your friends legs cut off, your country taken over, your way of life ruined, YOUR LIFE DESTROYED!
WILL YOU SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING?

No, i know you will fight against these people who are killing your people, taking over your country, and destroying your life. You will fight and fight, kill their people. I know you wont just stand there and see the United States ruined.
This is the situation the terrorist are in, they have had their family killed their lives ruined and they wish to take revange.
Do you understand that?
From one point the Russians are saying "We freed the Americans from tyranny and saved them" and the Russian people think Russia is helping the U.S., but they are not. They are killing innocent people.
Same thing in Iraq, we think we are helping them, but we are not! Simple

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Ok, none of that really answered my question. I didn't even want to talk about 911, I was just using it as a reference. Let me rephrase my question, if some guy flew a plane and killed millions of innocent people because they had a different religion then he did, how is he a good person? Fighting for your country is one thing, terrorism is a different thing. A terrorist can be referred to as a person who terrorizes people, or causes fear. A man with a bomb strapped to his chest blows up and kills 20 people. In my eyes he is not a "good person", because he just hurt someone. I thought you would at least agree with that. I'm not part of the government, nor do I wish to be, and I can't be held responsible for their actions. Thinking someone who terrorizes other people is a "good person" is such a crazy thought to me I am at disbelief.

Theres no way terrorists have only killed 22,000 people, and you don't know that.

yes it is the best one around, i love the gov. just not those who run it

i believe Netherlands have a better government.
Dont know much about it but from what i heard they have much more freedoms than we do? I might be wrong so correct me if i am wrong.

But i bet if our founding fathers were alive they would have committed suicide for creating such a nation that has done EVERYTHING they said we shouldnt do

if the netherlands is so much better.... why dont u live there.....

well because first as i said i dont know much about it, i just know people have many more civil rights

second i didnt know a 14 year old can move to a different country by himself

Third, i would have to learn new language and culture and its just hard.

and Terrorist is sh*t. As Que once said to me, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I mean dude they are not terrorist, they are good people who have had their lives ruined by our government, if you dont know how ill explain

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Sry i didnt think u where only 14.... ....also terrorists might TARGET the military but, many civilians and thier own ppl are the ones who get hurt

Ok, none of that really answered my question. I didn't even want to talk about 911, I was just using it as a reference. Let me rephrase my question, if some guy flew a plane and killed millions of innocent people because they had a different religion then he did, how is he a good person? Fighting for your country is one thing, terrorism is a different thing. A terrorist can be referred to as a person who terrorizes people, or causes fear. A man with a bomb strapped to his chest blows up and kills 20 people. In my eyes he is not a "good person", because he just hurt someone. I thought you would at least agree with that. I'm not part of the government, nor do I wish to be, and I can't be held responsible for their actions. Thinking someone who terrorizes other people is a "good person" is such a crazy thought to me I am at disbelief.

Theres no way terrorists have only killed 22,000 people, and you don't know that.

Terrorist have killed 22,000 people in Iraq, and Americans have killed more than 600,000 have been killed. Interesting thing is that U.S. government says 30,000, British government says 50,000 and Iraqi government says 90,000 LOL. The study was done by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Mustansiriya University in Baghdad between May 20 and July 10.
It is the only private study, and i trust those over any government study because the government doesnt want to make itself look bad.

Now im AGAINST killing others, but i want to make you know that Terrorist who kill people dont do it because of Religion. They were once all normal people like me and you, living in their homes. But when you live in a poor country, and you look at what America and all these other countries are doing to people around the world, plus Religious fanatics who keep brainwashing, people begin to hate Americans.
They see with their own eyes the hurt and death which us Americans dont. This makes them bad, they say "why do these Americans have such good lives and we dont?" it makes them mad. So they want to create Americans pain just like we created pain for them. Is that understandable?

Anyway, just so you know, those 9/11 terrorist are still alive, well seven of them. Interested, i guess they magically teleported from the planes into ground before the planes hit the towers. Only one mass media network covered it, WHICH IS MORE INTERESTING, and they only talked about one of them! Here are links if you wish to know more
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20an ... _alive.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
http://guardian.150m.com/september-elev ... -alive.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

well theres a question! They crashed four planes, with all the people on them, all dead, oh except the terrorists on them, they survived! amazing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm