Official Religion Debate Thread

um agnoticsism and atheism are different...

The two are only linked because of their similarities, not because I'm a f**k who doesn't know what he's talking about. Atheists believe that God/ Gods aren't real, never were, never will be, and are incalculably impossible. An Agnostic is one who believes no single theory about a God or Gods, or creationism or evolution, and simply decides to remain neutral.

What people fail to realize, is that you can be Atheist by believing that there is no true God or deity responsible for life just the same as an Agnostic can remain Agnostic. It's entirely possible that the primary reason you believe that it is impossible for a God or deity to exist is because you simply remain neutral because you feel no one belief structure is truly omniscient of any other.

I linked them, as they ought to be, just as I would have linked Lutheranism, Baptism, or Catholicism to Christianity, but because of space constraints, did not.

On a more prevalent note, can I please get a Christian or otherwise scholarly advocate of religion to help prove that the words coming out of this intelligent and independently-thinking man's mouth are false and/ or not genuine questions or concerns about religious faith of any kind? I'm terribly interested in any possible conclusions that can be drawn in the sake of religion's favor, as a whole.

-DarkPacMan77-

thats one of the best videos i've seen

Infidelguy brings up some points but if anyone ever went on a quest to get to the bottom of the god issue they would find that something extraordinary happened in our ancient past and it was so incredible that people have not been able to forget for thousands of years.

example: In the video Pandora's Box is mentioned as is the famous Tree of Knowledge. Infidel dismisses both as myth without looking at what is really being conveyed and that is that an intelligence was specifically directing man's development by offering a gift but then denying its use.

There is some small truth to all myths and legends, study John Henry if you doubt it. The fact is that someone always wants to tell the story better than the last guy so the tale changes a bit so that on the outside it is different from the others but if you look inside you would notice that the are both telling the same story.

Man that was one of the worst videos, I mean you can still be sad without being surprised. All the stuff he says is out of his as* and he didn't even show scripture in some stuff and just decided to bash the religion with stuff he made up. Well I believe God had a plan and some people disobey so he feels remorse. But he is a hard thinker but too bad all the people he argued with (the people he refers to as "they") added parts to the Bible by saying God's characteristics and making up excuses against his points so that just gives his points to disprove their weak arguments since they were just contradicting themselves.

And when God was looking for Adam and Eve is it possible that it is the exact same hting when you are playing hide and seek and you know where the person is. He talks very vaguely and picks a very small part of the story and he adds stuff to it and disproves that little part without telling the whole story.

Why is your conviction so strong Advent?

Idk, forget everything I said.

Advent, from all people i thought you would be the only christian to say this was a good video... guess i want wrong

I mean he brings up a good point, why would god put that tree there if he doesnt want them to eat the apple out of it, when he KNOWS in advance that Adam would eat the apple. Makes no sense.

And please dont try to say "god doesnt know what we are going to do", first it says it in the bible, seconds he is a all knowing god so it should know, third, what kind of god doesnt know whats its people will do?

But anyways, you know its a weird issue, i think people who want to believe in god should leave religion and be Deist just like basically all of the American Founding Father(i think they knew something), i mean religion just isnt good in MY opinion.
Its ok to believe in a higher power, but going into religion is to extreme because its just hard to know which religion is true. I mean i find a hard to believe that the higher power that made us would give us rules to live by.
I'm still a atheist, but i just think people who want to believe in a higher power should be Deist because you wont be forced to live by certain guidelines

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@farq
Correct me if I am wrong, Eve ate the fruit and told Adam to eat it. So technically we can just blame women for everything. j/k
I don't know why he put the apple there, and I don't really care but 9t was still Adam & Eve's choice to either follow that 1 simple rule, and they chose not to. We have free will, so it's not God's fault :p If he didn't put the fruit there then we wouldn't have free will, he would basically be forcing them not to eat it, which he wouldn't do.

I mean he brings up a good point, why would god put that tree there if he doesnt want them to eat the apple out of it, when he KNOWS in advance that Adam would eat the apple. Makes no sense.

well the story would go that he put the tree there and told adam & eve to not eat the fruit, but they defied God and listened to the snake who convinced Eve to offer the apple to Adam. and Adam eventually gave in and ate the apple

the point of the story being, in a broad explanation, is that God told them specifically as the only rule was to not eat from the tree but they defied him and went against his rules, so they were thrown out of paradise/the garden. Pretty simple, if you aren't gonna follow the rules then you gotta get out. and if God knew or not what they were gonna do its still up to them and their free will to actually go through with taking the apple and actually eating it. The story would be stupid if God was like hey i'm throwing you out of the garden because i know in the future you'll end up eating the fruit. its just a story to say if you go against God's rules then you aren't going to be allowed in a sweet place like the garden, its your choice. (that is if you believe in God, which i personally do not, but its not hard to understand this stuff)

thats just the basic explanation of the story, though there are many hidden meanings and metaphors throughout the story.


and also a side note many actually think that the Apple is actually a Fig and the tree was a Fig Tree, as the location of where the garden would be if it were real would be a place where Fig trees would be the main fruit not apples. not that it has anything to do with this, just thought i'd throw some random knowledge in there haha

also there was a woman who came before Eve, and her name was Lilith, but she was crazy so they replaced her with Eve.

i don't think you people get the point of the Bible. Its not meant to be a factual story or biography. its a book that gives stories to use as a guide to living moral and ethical lives. like in Adam & Eve if you are asked not to do something in someones home then don't disobey them or you may be kicked out. Every single story in the Bible portrays people dealing with decisions of morality ... i don't even read the Bible and its not hard to see that its not meant to be a biography and for all the aspects of the stories to be taken literally.

but my argument is, doesnt god already know they would eat it?
God is all knowing, he see the future, so he could see that if he put the apple there Eve would eat it, so whats the point of putting the apple there if he already knew Eve would eat it.

To say god didnt know, is to say god has limited power and is not all knowing. Its weird, but i mean it makes no sense. If he is all knowing and knew Eve would doom the Human race forever, why make her, why doom the human race? why put the apple there?
He already knew!

Ahh i guess we all have to wait until we die.

Wow this guy is a idiot, he gives all religions a bad name. its because of people like this i hate Religion. HE IS RETARDED LOOK
http://www.evilbible.com/Retard.htm

but my argument is, doesnt god already know they would eat it?
God is all knowing, he see the future, so he could see that if he put the apple there Eve would eat it, so whats the point of putting the apple there if he already knew Eve would eat it.

i already said why, im not saying he doesn't know. its like a kid about to touch a hot stove, instead of telling him you might let him touch the stove so he knows not too next time cause he burned his hand. The fact is that Adam still had a choice to either take the fruit from Eve or to choose not too, as they say God gave humans Free will to choose their own actions, and Adam made the wrong choice by defying the rule God gave them.


and also there are tons of interpretations about Adam & Eve and every other story in the Bible. The point isn't that God knew before hand, that video is stupid from what i saw of it, just read the stories for yourself and make up your own mind. anyone who takes the time to make videos and radio shows about disproving God is lame. And i don't believe in God and i still think its lame



and yes people like that are annoying, but you can't use that as a reason for hating religion. obviously some people take things too far. We are in fact only human, no ones perfect and some people minds just take them to extreme views

Thanks Kline, the guy in that video doesn't have common sense, he believes everything should be spelled out for him I guess. God does know all things, but he lets you make your own decisions, thats why if there was a God, he didn't make civilization in the first place because he woulda known how many crappy people would inhabit it.

@Farq, yea that guy is an idiot.

ah good explanation Kline.

To all religious people:
Why aren't you guys Deist, why do you believe in a certain religion?

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."-Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

Albert puts it best

There were two trees in Eden.

Tree of life, which neither Adam or Eve took from that would have probably given us everlasting youth.

Tree of knowledge, of which fruit was taken from. It is basically a metaphor for sex. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this one.

wouldn't the fruit be a cherry then?

ayoooo

Ah lol .