Official Religion Debate Thread

I don't know if this has been talked about or not but would you believe differently if you were brought up with another religion or say no religion?

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

[DarkPacMan77]

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

Your beliefs aren't your own, in a religious sense. It's impossible to have your own independent beliefs if you associate yourself with a religion. You just think somewhat differently than what you associate yourself with, but religion still imposes its beliefs unto you.

My point being, you didn't just happen to believe any religion. It was taught to you. You only chose to accept certain aspects of it.

Regarding what's wrong with cloning life or altering it, nothing is. Many religious institutions would say otherwise, however. Many don't agree with it because that means the humans are taking the role of a "God" - which, if you think about it, makes a very valid anti-religious topic of interest. It doesn't just make a supposed God seem like a human, instead, it makes humans have the power of a supposed God.

Why follow a God if the man standing next to you is essentially the same in "divine power"? - that's the question that religion doesn't want to answer, and that's why they're against that type of science.

-DarkPacMan77-

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

Your beliefs aren't your own, in a religious sense. It's impossible to have your own independent beliefs if you associate yourself with a religion. You just think somewhat differently than what you associate yourself with, but religion still imposes its beliefs unto you.

My point being, you didn't just happen to believe any religion. It was taught to you. You only chose to accept certain aspects of it.
-DarkPacMan77-

My point exactly that is what I was trying to say. Like I believe if I was brought up with a religion I would probably be where I am right now (no religion).

I don't consider my self an atheist because considering yourself something when you don't believe in something makes you in a way believe in another religion (atheist.) Thats why I hate it when somebody says "oh I'm atheist" I'm like "yes you may be but you can't consider your self atheist because then that makes you believe in something just like people believe in god) I know thats a little confusing but its just like religion.

As long as they can help people with disabilities and illnesses then I'm fine with it, although I'd rather not people be able to make perfect clones of themselves (even though it would kick donkey) But people could go crazy with it and create a huge genetic army! Or some people just make them to kill other people in secret or make them rob other people or money. And I'm not too knowledgeable about the stem cell research and stuff but don't they kill babies? I don't care for that too much.

the lord givieh the lord taketh away

As long as they can help people with disabilities and illnesses then I'm fine with it, although I'd rather not people be able to make perfect clones of themselves (even though it would kick donkey) But people could go crazy with it and create a huge genetic army! Or some people just make them to kill other people in secret or make them rob other people or money. And I'm not too knowledgeable about the stem cell research and stuff but don't they kill babies? I don't care for that too much.

yah man thats the only reason why i dont support cloning
someone can start a army and take over the world, unless that someone is me, i wont allow it!

for once i agree with u.... except i should get the army ive read 204 ,yes i keep count, books on military strategy...... and i play alot of rts on the hardest difficulty

well i watch "the Unit"!!!!
it gives good military strategy?

204 books?
wtf is wrong with you?
i havent even read that much in my whole life time (14 years!!)

well i watch "the Unit"!!!!
it gives good military strategy?

204 books?
wtf is wrong with you?
i havent even read that much in my whole life time (14 years!!)

the unit?

[DarkPacMan77]

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

Your beliefs aren't your own, in a religious sense. It's impossible to have your own independent beliefs if you associate yourself with a religion. You just think somewhat differently than what you associate yourself with, but religion still imposes its beliefs unto you.

My point being, you didn't just happen to believe any religion. It was taught to you. You only chose to accept certain aspects of it.
-DarkPacMan77-

My point exactly that is what I was trying to say. Like I believe if I was brought up with a religion I would probably be where I am right now (no religion).

I don't consider my self an atheist because considering yourself something when you don't believe in something makes you in a way believe in another religion (atheist.) Thats why I hate it when somebody says "oh I'm atheist" I'm like "yes you may be but you can't consider your self atheist because then that makes you believe in something just like people believe in god) I know thats a little confusing but its just like religion.

.Yunoko, you know, I think you're one of the few people that think pretty similarly to me. I wish religion wasn't even in mankind's vocabulary. I don't "believe" I'm associated with a religion, but just the same, I don't believe that I don't believe in a religion either. I'm not agnostic or atheist, but that's the best way for most people to understand how I feel about religion.

We had a debate in my sociology class when I was in high school about the impact of religion on society, and I pretty much led the entire debate. My teacher actually stopped the class for the day after my input to the debate. She said, "Wow, Deric... that's really profound... I really don't know where to go from here", and we had a "catch up" day for the rest of the class. I made people question their own religious beliefs based on about an 8 minute "speech" in a Sociology class. Two people, one after class, and one about a week later, told me that they just couldn't believe the same things after what I'd said.

I didn't even try to disprove religion, as I've even tried to do so in this thread. I only showed them how corrupt it is.

Religion is based on ignorance. The more ignorant you are to the truths around you, the more susceptible you are to believe in a religion.

-DarkPacMan77-

http://www.tv.com/the-unit/show/33480/summary.html

Yea, its a show.

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

Your beliefs aren't your own, in a religious sense. It's impossible to have your own independent beliefs if you associate yourself with a religion. You just think somewhat differently than what you associate yourself with, but religion still imposes its beliefs unto you.

My point being, you didn't just happen to believe any religion. It was taught to you. You only chose to accept certain aspects of it.
-DarkPacMan77-

My point exactly that is what I was trying to say. Like I believe if I was brought up with a religion I would probably be where I am right now (no religion).

I don't consider my self an atheist because considering yourself something when you don't believe in something makes you in a way believe in another religion (atheist.) Thats why I hate it when somebody says "oh I'm atheist" I'm like "yes you may be but you can't consider your self atheist because then that makes you believe in something just like people believe in god) I know thats a little confusing but its just like religion.

.Yunoko, you know, I think you're one of the few people that think pretty similarly to me. I wish religion wasn't even in mankind's vocabulary. I don't "believe" I'm associated with a religion, but just the same, I don't believe that I don't believe in a religion either. I'm not agnostic or atheist, but that's the best way for most people to understand how I feel about religion.

We had a debate in my sociology class when I was in high school about the impact of religion on society, and I pretty much led the entire debate. My teacher actually stopped the class for the day after my input to the debate. She said, "Wow, Deric... that's really profound... I really don't know where to go from here", and we had a "catch up" day for the rest of the class. I made people question their own religious beliefs based on about an 8 minute "speech" in a Sociology class. Two people, one after class, and one about a week later, told me that they just couldn't believe the same things after what I'd said.

I didn't even try to disprove religion, as I've even tried to do so in this thread. I only showed them how corrupt it is.

Religion is based on ignorance. The more ignorant you are to the truths around you, the more susceptible you are to believe in a religion.

-DarkPacMan77-

lol if i said that everyone would be on me
since i already said that before.
but that must have been a good speech.
I mean i turned 4 religious people into not believing in religion, so i guess when i try im pretty damn good as well.

DPM: am i pretty similar to you?

I am hardly in a Christian environment or anything, no church, no youth groups, none of that. I'm not associated with an abundance of religious people, I just have my studies and thats good for me.

@Farq I don't really see anything wrong with what DPM said, but knowing you, you would probably put something like "I'm not brainwashed like religious freaks and I can think on my own and I love disproving Christians because it is so fun"

-- That can piss people off.