Official Religion Debate Thread

I am hardly in a Christian environment or anything, no church, no youth groups, none of that. I'm not associated with an abundance of religious people, I just have my studies and thats good for me.

@Farq I don't really see anything wrong with what DPM said, but knowing you, you would probably put something like "I'm not brainwashed like religious freaks and I can think on my own and I love disproving Christians because it is so fun"

-- That can piss people off.

well thats like exactly what i would say no joke lmao
you are good

Lol, yea its best to be gentle in your words when you are debating. You can probably be a good debater if you are nice to the people and acknowledge their beliefs.

argh i'm weird, i want everyone to think the way i do
and if they dont i like to piss them off, because i never get mad, and when people get mad they can easily be raped because they cant think right and i can just kill them in a debate, but i guess that doesnt work online
Yah but i really need to change my ways i agree

[DarkPacMan77]

Well, I can go on about how religion is based off of ignorance. I'm not planning on it, but I could spill some fuel on the fire. These are general statements, but apply to most Western religions.

* Religion doesn't want to clone
* Religion doesn't want stem cell research
* Religion doesn't agree with "Social Darwinism"

Just based off of those three things, religious entities try to use your ignorance to help them spread their religion further.

1. Religion doesn't want to clone because it shows that the average man is just as powerful as any God.
2. Religion doesn't want stem cell research because it shows that man is ABOVE God by curing mankind in ways that God cannot (or at least, has not - so you religious-minded people don't get on my back).
3. Religion doesn't agree with Social Darwinism because it undermines religion and "creationism" completely (believing that God "created" everything that exists)

Now, if you weren't ignorant, you could see that religion is just trying to hide the evident truths about the world. For aspects of society that Religion doesn't have an answer for, they use God as a scapegoat and say that either he created it, or the Devil/ Satan is trying to make you a non-believer - or even that "God is just testing your faith in him". Those are all used by religion to try to make you REMAIN ignorant of the truths.

The factual truths being:

1. Man can make Man, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to make Man.
2. God can alter mankind at the genetic level, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to do so.
3. Leading science shows that Social Darwinism and the theory of evolution is substantiated heavily throughout nature. Religious entities try to make you not believe in such a thing because it proves that God didn't really "create" everything.

Those are truths. Religion DOES try, and desperately so, to shelter people from scientific truths in our world today, because as we know, through proven science, religious claims are holding less and less literal meaning in the world. God's word, the Bible, used to be taken as a literal fact even up to the 1800 and earlier 1900's. As science begins to unearth facts that begin to disprove and limit the authentication of religion, modern religious scholars now say that the Bible is more figurative in nature. That it isn't the "truth" anymore - that the words in the Bible are meant to be taught as metaphors in relation to our natural world around us.

Why, as science has progressed, have we seen this transition between the Bible being "literal truth", to being "figurative metaphor"?

I'll tell you why. It's because mankind is allowing itself to learn about the truths in the world, and little by little, and mankind is beginning to discover that the Bible isn't the truth.

-DarkPacMan77-

People are just stubborn if they think they are "playing God". I think a problem with most religious people they interpret scripture not to what they think it means, but to something that can help prove a point. Which in turn, will backfire on them and people think that what they said was actually in scripture, even though they made it up.

But the people behind religion don't want that, not everyday people. And there isn't anything specifically against curing people in the Bible.

i want to be god.....
how fun would that be?

Death Note...

nope my beleifs are my own and yes we have discussed the rebellion thing a bit

Your beliefs aren't your own, in a religious sense. It's impossible to have your own independent beliefs if you associate yourself with a religion. You just think somewhat differently than what you associate yourself with, but religion still imposes its beliefs unto you.

My point being, you didn't just happen to believe any religion. It was taught to you. You only chose to accept certain aspects of it.
-DarkPacMan77-

My point exactly that is what I was trying to say. Like I believe if I was brought up with a religion I would probably be where I am right now (no religion).

I don't consider my self an atheist because considering yourself something when you don't believe in something makes you in a way believe in another religion (atheist.) Thats why I hate it when somebody says "oh I'm atheist" I'm like "yes you may be but you can't consider your self atheist because then that makes you believe in something just like people believe in god) I know thats a little confusing but its just like religion.

.Yunoko, you know, I think you're one of the few people that think pretty similarly to me. I wish religion wasn't even in mankind's vocabulary. I don't "believe" I'm associated with a religion, but just the same, I don't believe that I don't believe in a religion either. I'm not agnostic or atheist, but that's the best way for most people to understand how I feel about religion.

We had a debate in my sociology class when I was in high school about the impact of religion on society, and I pretty much led the entire debate. My teacher actually stopped the class for the day after my input to the debate. She said, "Wow, Deric... that's really profound... I really don't know where to go from here", and we had a "catch up" day for the rest of the class. I made people question their own religious beliefs based on about an 8 minute "speech" in a Sociology class. Two people, one after class, and one about a week later, told me that they just couldn't believe the same things after what I'd said.

I didn't even try to disprove religion, as I've even tried to do so in this thread. I only showed them how corrupt it is.

Religion is based on ignorance. The more ignorant you are to the truths around you, the more susceptible you are to believe in a religion.

-DarkPacMan77-

lol if i said that everyone would be on me
since i already said that before.
but that must have been a good speech.
I mean i turned 4 religious people into not believing in religion, so i guess when i try im pretty damn good as well.

DPM: am i pretty similar to you?

Those few posts are probably to me the best I have heard on these forums. Because to me its true.

Wow... and u say catholics force their religon down others throats ..... also thx for the link Farq and im glad i had 1 post in that quote there

Frigg this is like the quoting pyramid game.

Wow... and u say catholics force their religon down others throats ..... also thx for the link Farq and im glad i had 1 post in that quote there

what link?
and yes i have said before i try to force atheist down everyones throat, cant resist, sorry

The unit link and at least u r willing to admit it, i hate people who wont admit to to their own faults

[DarkPacMan77]

Wow... and u say catholics force their religon down others throats ..... also thx for the link Farq and im glad i had 1 post in that quote there

You could have been referring to farquezy's post, or this lengthy one of mine below, but I'm going to assume that you were talking about mine. Please, anyone who believes this thread is "going too far", in any way, read what I have to say.

Well, I can go on about how religion is based off of ignorance. I'm not planning on it, but I could spill some fuel on the fire. These are general statements, but apply to most Western religions.

* Religion doesn't want to clone
* Religion doesn't want stem cell research
* Religion doesn't agree with "Social Darwinism"

Just based off of those three things, religious entities try to use your ignorance to help them spread their religion further.

1. Religion doesn't want to clone because it shows that the average man is just as powerful as any God.
2. Religion doesn't want stem cell research because it shows that man is ABOVE God by curing mankind in ways that God cannot (or at least, has not - so you religious-minded people don't get on my back).
3. Religion doesn't agree with Social Darwinism because it undermines religion and "creationism" completely (believing that God "created" everything that exists)

Now, if you weren't ignorant, you could see that religion is just trying to hide the evident truths about the world. For aspects of society that Religion doesn't have an answer for, they use God as a scapegoat and say that either he created it, or the Devil/ Satan is trying to make you a non-believer - or even that "God is just testing your faith in him". Those are all used by religion to try to make you REMAIN ignorant of the truths.

The factual truths being:

1. Man can make Man, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to make Man.
2. God can alter mankind at the genetic level, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to do so.
3. Leading science shows that Social Darwinism and the theory of evolution is substantiated heavily throughout nature. Religious entities try to make you not believe in such a thing because it proves that God didn't really "create" everything.

Those are truths. Religion DOES try, and desperately so, to shelter people from scientific truths in our world today, because as we know, through proven science, religious claims are holding less and less literal meaning in the world. God's word, the Bible, used to be taken as a literal fact even up to the 1800 and earlier 1900's. As science begins to unearth facts that begin to disprove and limit the authentication of religion, modern religious scholars now say that the Bible is more figurative in nature. That it isn't the "truth" anymore - that the words in the Bible are meant to be taught as metaphors in relation to our natural world around us.

Why, as science has progressed, have we seen this transition between the Bible being "literal truth", to being "figurative metaphor"?

I'll tell you why. It's because mankind is allowing itself to learn about the truths in the world, and little by little, and mankind is beginning to discover that the Bible isn't the truth.

-DarkPacMan77-

This is a religious debate thread. I don't try to force my religious beliefs down anybodies throats, as I simply don't even believe that the definition of religion itself holds any logical reasoning behind it, and therefor shouldn't be in our vocabulary. I'm sorry if any of my posts offend you, or others, but I'm simply dissecting the information that I believe practitioners of Western Religion were spoon-fed by authority figures in their lives, be it a parent, or a minister etc. I believe in letting the known truth be heard, known, and understood. If there was evidence to substantiate any religion as the accurate interpretation of our world, I'd make it a personal goal of mine to give people that factual understanding, but that's just not the case.

Do I know that there is a God? The answer is no. Instead, I can only point out hundreds, perhaps thousands of reasons why religion is corrupt to the point where the original intent of the words of the lord and savior Jesus Christ are obscured and used for propaganda for some terrible things in our world. I can only show that what I know to be the truth... no, not what I believe to be the truth, but what has been proven to me, is that there is a high probability that God, any God, never existed in the first place.

It's pretty easy for us to understand that the Greeks and Romans referred to Zues and Jupiter as their highest "Gods", but Greek mythology is such a warped version of reality, and after these few thousands of years that we've been able to explore aspects of Greek and Roman mythology, apply scientific values their theories, and prove that they were nothing more than a myth, it doesn't matter if all of the people in Greece or Rome that ever stepped foot on this planet believed that their mythological stories were true - it still doesn't make them accurate, by any means, under any justification, as they are proven to be inaccurate by science.

When is it fair to look in the mirror and question your own values? - that's what NEEDS to happen. If you don't question your values and moral compass that were imposed by authority figures when you were younger and more susceptible to make-believe stories like Santa Claus and Jesus Christ, then in my opinion, you are only being herded into the fence, along with all of the other sheep, blindly submitting to what you've been told and not what you've learned to be true.

Now, I don't mean to be rude. That's my honest interpretation of my opinion(s) and I'm fully capable of backing up my claims with material as I've done time and time again in this thread, throughout various aspects of religion. Perhaps you, or anyone else that is potentially capable of feeling hurt or unnerved about religious debate shouldn't read this thread. But I know this... when I began to question my strict Baptist Christian religious beliefs at the age of 13 (now almost 20), it opened my eyes to a completely different world of realization. And you know, I was hurt. I was hurt that I had most apparently been lied to by my superiors. I was sad that I couldn't prove that when I die, no matter how good I am during my life according to the Bible... that there was a big chance that there was no such thing as heaven. And to be honest, I even cried every now and then while researching into religion because I was so sure that I was doing the right thing before... but at some point, if you don't question your beliefs, you're simply submitting, and nobody, NOBODY, should submit their moral values to someone else without researching if it is just to do so in the first place.

-DarkPacMan77-

Idk, I'm a Christian, I have great moral values, I'm not spoon fed, I am a pretty smart guy, I am easy to get along with, I think I am OK as a Christian. I'm about my only teacher, I'm good.

Wow... and u say catholics force their religon down others throats ..... also thx for the link Farq and im glad i had 1 post in that quote there

You could have been referring to farquezy's post, or this lengthy one of mine below, but I'm going to assume that you were talking about mine. Please, anyone who believes this thread is "going too far", in any way, read what I have to say.

Well, I can go on about how religion is based off of ignorance. I'm not planning on it, but I could spill some fuel on the fire. These are general statements, but apply to most Western religions.

* Religion doesn't want to clone
* Religion doesn't want stem cell research
* Religion doesn't agree with "Social Darwinism"

Just based off of those three things, religious entities try to use your ignorance to help them spread their religion further.

1. Religion doesn't want to clone because it shows that the average man is just as powerful as any God.
2. Religion doesn't want stem cell research because it shows that man is ABOVE God by curing mankind in ways that God cannot (or at least, has not - so you religious-minded people don't get on my back).
3. Religion doesn't agree with Social Darwinism because it undermines religion and "creationism" completely (believing that God "created" everything that exists)

Now, if you weren't ignorant, you could see that religion is just trying to hide the evident truths about the world. For aspects of society that Religion doesn't have an answer for, they use God as a scapegoat and say that either he created it, or the Devil/ Satan is trying to make you a non-believer - or even that "God is just testing your faith in him". Those are all used by religion to try to make you REMAIN ignorant of the truths.

The factual truths being:

1. Man can make Man, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to make Man.
2. God can alter mankind at the genetic level, which is proven. God hasn't been proven to do so.
3. Leading science shows that Social Darwinism and the theory of evolution is substantiated heavily throughout nature. Religious entities try to make you not believe in such a thing because it proves that God didn't really "create" everything.

Those are truths. Religion DOES try, and desperately so, to shelter people from scientific truths in our world today, because as we know, through proven science, religious claims are holding less and less literal meaning in the world. God's word, the Bible, used to be taken as a literal fact even up to the 1800 and earlier 1900's. As science begins to unearth facts that begin to disprove and limit the authentication of religion, modern religious scholars now say that the Bible is more figurative in nature. That it isn't the "truth" anymore - that the words in the Bible are meant to be taught as metaphors in relation to our natural world around us.

Why, as science has progressed, have we seen this transition between the Bible being "literal truth", to being "figurative metaphor"?

I'll tell you why. It's because mankind is allowing itself to learn about the truths in the world, and little by little, and mankind is beginning to discover that the Bible isn't the truth.

-DarkPacMan77-

This is a religious debate thread. I don't try to force my religious beliefs down anybodies throats, as I simply don't even believe that the definition of religion itself holds any logical reasoning behind it, and therefor shouldn't be in our vocabulary. I'm sorry if any of my posts offend you, or others, but I'm simply dissecting the information that I believe practitioners of Western Religion were spoon-fed by authority figures in their lives, be it a parent, or a minister etc. I believe in letting the known truth be heard, known, and understood. If there was evidence to substantiate any religion as the accurate interpretation of our world, I'd make it a personal goal of mine to give people that factual understanding, but that's just not the case.

Do I know that there is a God? The answer is no. Instead, I can only point out hundreds, perhaps thousands of reasons why religion is corrupt to the point where the original intent of the words of the lord and savior Jesus Christ are obscured and used for propaganda for some terrible things in our world. I can only show that what I know to be the truth... no, not what I believe to be the truth, but what has been proven to me, is that there is a high probability that God, any God, never existed in the first place.

It's pretty easy for us to understand that the Greeks and Romans referred to Zues and Jupiter as their highest "Gods", but Greek mythology is such a warped version of reality, and after these few thousands of years that we've been able to explore aspects of Greek and Roman mythology, apply scientific values their theories, and prove that they were nothing more than a myth, it doesn't matter if all of the people in Greece or Rome that ever stepped foot on this planet believed that their mythological stories were true - it still doesn't make them accurate, by any means, under any justification, as they are proven to be inaccurate by science.

When is it fair to look in the mirror and question your own values? - that's what NEEDS to happen. If you don't question your values and moral compass that were imposed by authority figures when you were younger and more susceptible to make-believe stories like Santa Claus and Jesus Christ, then in my opinion, you are only being herded into the fence, along with all of the other sheep, blindly submitting to what you've been told and not what you've learned to be true.

Now, I don't mean to be rude. That's my honest interpretation of my opinion(s) and I'm fully capable of backing up my claims with material as I've done time and time again in this thread, throughout various aspects of religion. Perhaps you, or anyone else that is potentially capable of feeling hurt or unnerved about religious debate shouldn't read this thread. But I know this... when I began to question my strict Baptist Christian religious beliefs at the age of 13 (now almost 20), it opened my eyes to a completely different world of realization. And you know, I was hurt. I was hurt that I had most apparently been lied to by my superiors. I was sad that I couldn't prove that when I die, no matter how good I am during my life according to the Bible... that there was a big chance that there was no such thing as heaven. And to be honest, I even cried every now and then while researching into religion because I was so sure that I was doing the right thing before... but at some point, if you don't question your beliefs, you're simply submitting, and nobody, NOBODY, should submit their moral values to someone else without researching if it is just to do so in the first place.

-DarkPacMan77-

i was referring to both of u and i realize you've researched what uve said and i kno this is a religious debate thread... but as ive said in other posts....lighten up its a joke!!!