Official Religion Debate Thread

I doubt it. If I found out, I would be like -Dam I was wrong.

1.)GOD DIDN'T WRITE THE BIBLE!!!!
2.)The people who wrote the bible made this so that it could make the text have more and deeper meanings
3.)I still need a spellcheck

Thanks mouse, it is what I have been trying to tell everyone from the start.

Class dismissed!

WTF it was written by the people that followed him throughout his lifetime, you have no idea what you're talking about

If procreation is as another said it above in a previous post, that procreation is pretty much the creation of offspring.
which the creation of offspring, having to do with of course s*x, IS sinning.
Also, then IF god did not write the Bible (which yes i already knew) then that also means that people of the church itself could have changed it to their liking and you could just be following a lost cause altogether and not even realize it.
for all you know Jesus could have been a woman and the Bible just depicts him as a man because everyone of that time would rather of had a man than a woman leading the people of Israel. which i might add is still like that today in Israel that its people rather be lead by a man than a woman.

Seriously you're making no point, I may have already said, he didn't sin for you guys I'll make it simple, he basically cloned himself, kinda like a two headed dragon with the same thoughts...

wait a minute this thread is still going? 0.0

how can any of us interpret what the guys were trying to say??? none of us were there! you might as well try to find the deeper meaning in your alphabet soup! anything can have a metaphor thrown into it! wiping my A$$ could have some deeper meaning. so no one should be bashing someone elses interpretation of the bible cause everyone's is going to be different and no one is likely to even be close to the true meaning. i dont even believe whats written in the bible and still can see the pointlessness of trying to figure it out.

You're so right, just like farquesy said, man you guys are just to set on making a point that all you do is find mistakes and don't look at facts...

srry dubbl post!

The one thing we can all agree on though is that abstinence is only 99.99999% effective. Mary disproved it.

i am, im just tired of trying to explain myself.

The only problem with reiligon is that nowadaws all the sh!t that's been thrown in it

I think that we should just have one religion, or no religion. theres no point, arguing over it only turns to war or some type of bloodshed.

The one thing we can all agree on though is that abstinence is only 99.99999% effective. Mary disproved it.

Lol nice, thats some good religious comedy .

WTF it was written by the people that followed him throughout his lifetime, you have no idea what you're talking about

WOA little buddy, where are you getting your info?

For example the letters of Paul which include the books of Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon were all written after Jesus was long dead, In fact Paul NEVER even saw the living Jesus and did not become a Christian until AFTER the crucifixion! So how could Paul be one of the people that followed Jesus through his lifetime?

I challenge you to prove me wrong on this. Take my challenge and you will find out that YOU are the one that does not know what their talking about.

There is so much myth surrounding the topic that the truth needs to get out somehow, the zealots are no help either.

If you believe in the basic philosophy that being kind to your neighbor is the proper thing to do then do it, I applaud you, but do not inject all this two headed dragon cloning stuff into the mix to explain things to people especially when you have no references to back up this claim. This just gives a sense that you yourself really do not understand how it works and are forcing pieces of the puzzle to fit where they do not go.

I'm REALLY hoping these are not the words of jesus and god

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

All i see these as are population control.
I hope you can open your mind up and ask yourself " would a true god want this of ITS people?"
You should come to a easy and quick conclusion, NO HE WOULDNT, so from that you see that the words of the bible are manipulated and not was they originally were meant to be if Jesus did truly inspire it

I'm REALLY hoping these are not the words of jesus and god.

They aren't. Those are parts of the laws of Moses. Moses was around 2000 years or so before Jesus, thus Moses knew nothing of Jesus.

Jesus did however, condone slavery:

1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the forward. Forward in this case means abusive slave owners.

And in Luke 7:2-9 Jesus heals a slave so the slave can toil longer for the master instead of setting the slave free either physically or spiritually.

Who reading this agrees slavery is justified?

The bible WAS obviously written by men as stated previously by someone else.

Of coarse it was written by men, who thinks it was written by God?

As far as I know the only thing in the bible that God wrote was the original 10 commandments (Exodus 34:1) but we only have the bible which was written by men to go by.

So as most of us agree the bible was written by men. Then how come so many people recognize it as "The Word of God"?

All of the examples that Farquezy mentioned clearly are not of a divine and loving origin I agree. The Mouse stated that "men" wrote the convoluted words of the bible in order to give it deeper meaning. I don't know about that.

One thing I do know for certain. Men lie.

[ace]

2And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die.

3And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant.

4And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying, That he was worthy for whom he should do this:

5For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.

6Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof:

7Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed.

8For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

9When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

That is the section of luke that you referred to que, in King James version. I prefer to use the King James version as it is the oldest version I know of that I can understand. Meaning out of the versions I understand, it is the least changed version. That passage is about showing the faith of a guy that had a slave. If the slave had a choice of whether to be a slave or not, I don't know. But there is a difference between having a choice to be a slave and being forced into slavery. Most of the analogies I see in the bible about slave and master are meant to be understood as you the slave and God the master.

Also it is referred to as Gods word because even though he didn't write it, it is inspired by God.

Slavery no matter how benign is still slavery. I will grant you some may of had a choice in the matter but, choosing to serve, is not slavery and I think the way the bible is written men are born to serve god, not other men.

Luke 7:2 could easily have gone another way. Isn't the slave owner a god to the slave? Does the slave owner not control every aspect of the slaves life the way God is described to do for all people? This is why there are so many analogies in the bible to slavery. This is also why slavery should be condemned by Jesus, not condoned.

Is the bible truly inspired by god or by the priests that knew the truth and used fear of god to control?
With all the killings and raping and incest and all of the other unpleasant mentionings and "laws" that are rarely observed today, one has to ask if any of it truly was inspired by a kind gentle and loving god.