Official Religion Debate Thread

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I didn't want to post in this thread either because I don't know everything. Asking things such as whether or not the slave owner controlled every aspect of the slaves life is to far for me to know or to care for that matter. It's to easy to play on words with this sort of topic so it can go either way. In my own opinion, that passage is not enough to "prove" that Jesus condones slavery, in my mind it is far from it. Just because he healed a slave doesn't make him condone slavery.

No one can know everything and I will admit on various occasions, I have been wrong.
I am more disappointed at the fact that no one corrects me than I am from making the mistakes in the first place.
I post on various topics to get people to think on their own because there seems to be very little of that going on these days.

As far as proving that Jesus condones slavery or not the fact remains that he was ok with slavery because he never condemned it at any point though he had several opportunities and made many analogies to slavery when describing the followers of the lords will. ie servants of the lord.

Which brings me back to the double talk and the multiple meanings. Yea, I think much has been lost in translation as well as time.

Thanks for reading.

Why cant you all just be Deist?
I seriously dont care if you believe in god, just be deist, dont be a slave of religion

They are deists for the most part, nothing wrong with that. Ultimately what and how they worship it is their choice. My only concern is the blind faith that has been given to a cause that has been the downfall of so many civilizations.

So many people live in poverty and have more faith in god than the pope himself! I say that because if the pope was truly faithfull he would not sit behind 3 inches of ballistic glass when waving to crowds in his car.

Nothing wrong with living in poverty but the New Testament teaches to give up personal wealth and trade it for spiritual wealth. Christians rarely do either especially the church leaders that skim 6 and 7 figure earnings from their congregations.

Pat Robertson's net worth is between $200 million and $1 billion dollars according to the 2002 book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy". I think this kind of wealth accumulation is obscene for someone that claims to promote the teachings of The New Testament.

In 2007 Kenneth Copeland was accused of using his $20 million Cessna Citation jet for personal vacations! He admitted the jet owned by the ministry was used for personal in 2007.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, is investigating whether ministries are “improperly using their tax-exempt status as churches to shield lavish lifestyles.”

In 1987, Oral Roberts announced to a television audience that unless he raised $8 million by that March, God would "call him home" He raised $9.1 million.

Men wrote the bible. Men lie.

Christianity is a sham. I am doing my part to let the word out. What are you doing?

Yea those people are just greedy people, they aren't true men of God. I heard about that last guy, I cannot believe he raised ANY money! I mean come on people, maybe God wanted to take him away. Who are they to stop him .

I'm not looking for trouble but I can't help but wonder on the eve of the anniversary of the events that changed the world, if there was any reference to September 11th in the bible or Koran that anyone knows of.

I can't control what people post but would like it if the next post contained a scripture reference that would fit the events of that day.

The bible is specific about a comet hitting the earth, people buying and selling, establisment of the state of Israel (so forth) and I would expect verses this specific concerning this day instead of vague generalized references that could fit any event in ant time period.

I am serious about this and would really like to know so please no jokes.

Thank you for reading and for your consideration.

Q

It doesn't say any specific date at all in the Bible. Only references about the time period and timeline of the events.
First there is suppose to be a treaty made for Israel that will promise peace (Covenant made by the AntiChrist.)
3 1/2 years go by and the covenant is broken. The next 3 1/2 years are the last years of the earth. These 7
years are known as the Great Tribulation. But there is no specific date like 2012 in the Bible unless it is in code.

Yea, I would not expect the bible to be as specific as a date of course. The calendar that we currently go by has been in use since 1752 and concidering the bible was written before then I would not expect that.

I would expect there to be some refrence or metaphor to twins or towers because these terms could have been conveyed in bronze/iron age language. Such as in the "Tower of Babel" and the twins Esau and Jacob.

I can google bible code infromation myself.

I am still interested in seeing if anyone knows of any scripture in the New Testament, not just in the book of Revelation, that could have predicted such a global and society changing event like it did with the nation of Israel; for which no date for its creation was given.

There is a lot of text in Matthew 24 that talks about what must happen before Christ comes back for the Rapture.
I've already discussed that before, Maybe in this thread? but I know its in the previous one.

Explain it again because the word "Rapture" never appears in the bible.

According to Websters the word never existed before 1594 and I know at least the new testament was written long before then.

Well I know that and you know that. Why ask? The word was invented to give the name to the time when people are ascended into heaven before the Rapture. It's much easier to say Rapture than "The time when Christians ascend into heaven before the Tribulation or maybe during the Tribulation or maybe at the end."

There is speculation when it happens, people believe in the 3 different ways, but it is definitely not the last one.

The idea of the Christians not rising into heaven is not invented. I guess you asked this question because you want other people to know whats going on? But we are the only ones talking.

good point.

I really just want to know if the events of September 11th could be interpreted from the bible without the use of a computer, A Torah and a Hebrew dictionary.

This is the day that changed the world.

I mean, we can't go to the airport anymore without losing some dignity! They have machines that can see through your underwear now! OH and taking off you shoes, phew! Has anyone noticed the popcorn smell at the TSA checkpoints? It is really bad here in Florida where it is hot in the summer. Seriously, some prophet somewhere should have seen this coming and warned us!

Jesus is given credit for predicting the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed and it was.

John states that I will need a mark on my forehead to buy a Bologna sandwich. I figure this will occur after the next depression hits in two years. I don't need to be a prophet to see that one coming.

Which biblical figure predicted 9/11? That is all I want to know.

Oh well I have no idea, there is no such warning that I know of in the Bible. Unless it is deep in some parable or something.
But the thing about the Mark of The Beast, I think it is most likely going to be a chip.
As stated in the Bible it will be placed either in the right forearm or in the forehead.
These places are also mentioned for the designated areas for a RFID chip.
It is so simply now a days to just stick all our information on a little flash drive or something
so it can carry our health info, our currency, our identity, or everything. I think the mark will
be just a new sort of I.D. that can be used for so much good and leisure that it would be stupid
not to have one. Sort of like how we chip our pets with gps systems and stuff. It is also mandatory
for the hospital to chip babies in Oregon, there is no parent consent.

I'm sure you've heard talk or read articles about having a new sort of I.D. to help with illegal
immigration and terrorism and all that.

But we never would have saw this coming in Bible times so I think they needed a prophet to see
it coming .

Last I heard the RFID chip raised your risk of cancer:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 97_pf.html

I am not so sure about the Oregon babies claim.

Do you have a source for that?

Yea I printed up an article about it several months ago, I'll try to find it.

Craps I don't have it, I'll google it.
I'll get back to you on that .