Legal Marijuana?

Nah homebrew is perfectly legal, however, downloading ROMs and ISOs is not. We try to be as clean as possible with the legal stuff.

yeah but why do you even go into putting yourself into the position of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, why do they have to be legalized

Money.

Exactly, that's where the corruption is

money over life



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Well hey, this whole freaking website can be dangerous because it promotes homebrew and illegal activity, lets just ban it then!

Basically thats what your ideologies are saying, that just because something is promoting illegal activity that makes it bad? Who even determines what is illegal and what is legal? who are they to even say what is legal and illegal?
Just because something might lead into a road we dont like, it doesnt make that something bad.

for example: When i first came here, i got CFW, then i got homebrew, and now im downloading games from utorrents for free
so this is a gateway to illegal activities and it must be shut down?

I hope that opened your minds a little

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really come on, that's not the argument, it's the direct effects that weed has not the activities it promotes (the activities it promotes are also a factor though) you just kinda added another con for legalizing it: the things that it promotes

But that analogy doesn't work for that, kuz that's not what we're saying...

@ crait. ok then you cant connect those weapons to drugs at all and its still a bad analogy.

what you guys are saying is that making weed legal would make things worse. i just dont see it.

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Basically thats what your ideologies are saying, that just because something is promoting illegal activity that makes it bad?

No, I'm saying if something will hurt someone, it should not occur.

@ crait. ok then you cant connect those weapons to drugs at all and its still a bad analogy.
what you guys are saying is that making weed legal would make things worse. i just dont see it.

Firstly, why is it a bad analogy? It's using your ideology.
Oh, okay. Let's make drugs legal so kids/adults/general passengers on the road can be killed by people getting high and driving.
Oh, okay. Let's allow weed because it's not as bad as heroine and while we're at it, let's legalize rape because it's not as bad as murder.

its a bad analogy cause you cant compare weed to guns! thats taking it to the extreme. and you certainly cant compare it to rape or heroine either.

ok so lets outlaw things because IDIOTS not the everyday person and certainly not the every day drinker or smoker do so on the road! PLEASE in everything people do there is going to be that idiot who does the wrong thing! lets outlaw driving completely so people dont drive dangerously or how about this we all sit in padded rooms so no one ever gets hurt ever! not even drinking tea cause we could burn ourselves!

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its a bad analogy cause you cant compare weed to guns! thats taking it to the extreme. and you certainly cant compare it to rape or heroine either.

ok so lets outlaw things because IDIOTS not the everyday person and certainly not the every day drinker or smoker do so on the road! PLEASE in everything people do there is going to be that idiot who does the wrong thing! lets outlaw driving completely so people dont drive dangerously or how about this we all sit in padded rooms so no one ever gets hurt ever! not even drinking tea cause we could burn ourselves!

Why is comparing drugs to guns or rape bad? I need to take it to the extreme to make the kind of point I want to make.
But since you're not understanding it correctly, let me just see if I'm understanding you guys correctly...
Despite the rising of addictions and rising of deaths, you guys believe that marijuana should be legalized because a small, minuscule, percent of Americans will not abuse the drug? Nice idea.
I want to see a lot of my friends/family start smoking marijuana. I want to see it lead them into other drugs. And yeah, I like going to funerals so let's get it on! Aye!! I'm the Fonz!

Recap -
anything that harms your body is bad. - duh.
but you should be able to choose weather or not you would want to do such things. this would be the power of free will.
taking away the power of free will is and will just about forever be, illegal.
but the government does these things because their greedy. and they cant tax Trees.
the only 2 reasons that alcohol in general is legal now (to a specific age) is because it CAN be taxed. and also because they tried to ban it before dunno around what year i think around 1930's-1960's (i know biggg time frame.) and they couldnt control the riots or the smuggling.
if we're talking directly about smoking marijuana then everyone knows, and there is no arguing this point, the government doesnt outlaw it because it hurts people, or makes you do ignorant things, or that it is state-of-mind altering. they outlaw it because they cant make any money off of it.

minuscule?! says you. do 90% percent of drinkers run down pedestrians in their cars? do all husbands that drink beer beat their wives? hell no. some do. but those are bad people regardless! if a guy beats his girlfriend when hes drunk and tells her the next day that it was the liquor that man is a LIAR. news flash i drink and smoke weed on a regular BASIS and because i do it properly the only thing harmful it does to me is the occasional hangover. people who abuse alcohol have psychological issues already. i smoke weed,my friends smoke weed, my family smokes weed and none of them have died due to drugs!

oh its a GATEWAY drug and smoking weed leads to coke, which leads to heroine, which leads to acid which leads to eating your college buddies and then you'll go to hell! OH NO!!! keep mentioning slippery slopes like that and you might as well blow up our planet to put every human being out of its misery. i wont try to stop you.

so... anything that harms your body is bad eh? you type that? did you know typing leads to bad hand cramps? that monitors ruin your eye sight? sun causes cancer? air puts pollutants in your body? pop damages your teeth? red meat causes heart problems? religious fanaticism leads to the death of witches? scratching causes cell damage? microwaves give off radiation? if your born you'll die? EVERYTHING we do has SOME negative effect.

now as to why guns and rocket launchers aren't a good analogy, see i know what your trying to say. "rockets hurt. but guns and rockets hurt worse." not true. if you had to use a weapon but the only legal one was a rocket launcher what would you use? if your a good citizen you'd pick up that launcher with PRIDE, even though when you shoot that house invader you take out everything on your corner too but hey thats the law. now introduce the gat, home invader comes in and you now have two choices GUN, or ROCKET. what would you use? GUN for most of us cause the rocket is too excessive which leads to less damage than before. now OF COURSE there will be that idiot or two who decide ROCKET cause its BETTER and blow up your street corner but hey cant punish everyone for that.

your telling me that because of some idiots i should have to risk going to jail to get my ganja on? no screw that worst thing ive ever heard of. next thing you'll try to tell me is P2p programs should be outlawed cause of pirating

Dunno why this is really all that big of a deal. sure its something people would like to fight to be legalized but if your responsible with it does it really matter?
basically if your not responsible with it, you get caught and in trouble.
if you are one of the ones who are responsible with it then apparently you wont get caught or get in trouble.
so besides bringing other substances into the equation, because this happens to be about legal marijuana not alcohol or bad people,
what REAL reasons does anyone have?

mine are these few for both sides.

Legalized -
1. a whole lot less complaining
2. a portion of free will granted to the people of America.
3. one less thing people have to kill each other over in terms of debate.

Not Legalized -
1. an awesome debate subject.
2. not thrown out into public with children around.
3. less taxes.

and the majority of p2p programs ARE a form a piracy. weather you like to believe it or not.
you also talk about not being able to punish everyone for a rocket that blows up and entire street corner which im assuming is taliban,
when considering that the Government, when alcada did blow up the towers, this happened to set something of in every americans head that said, " hey a couple people attacked us, lets go send our military over to there home land and attack their entire country". so not punishing everyone out of the question? you'd better think again.
and not everything you do has a negitive effect. you believe it does because someone told you, or you believe through "facts" which i might add someone could have just made up to make you believe something. not because its exactly true.
sure some things obviously do have the negitive effects but most of the ones that have the negitive effects to you are just because your a pessimist.
be optimistic once and a while and you wouldnt have to think about stupid things like that.
and also being pessimistic would come from the "down" effects from being "high".

Here's where I come from:

Legalized (to folks 21 and over):

~Overuse for kids
~Wayy less gang related trouble
~Too many weed "plantations"
~Overwhelming demand for weed at first which will make it a very rough thing for the first year or so
~Getting out of hand; ppl will smoke it too much to the point where they pretty much become veggies to weed and lose control over themselves
~Some tax benefit to the govt. (s000 many ppl will be doing it that it will be near impossible to tax it all)


Kept Illegal:

~Gang bands over weed
~Children don't get wasted
~Families don't get ruined
~A more stable situation


I technically should have wrote that out in pros and cons form somehow but I'll just leave that how it is

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minuscule?! says you. do 90% percent of drinkers run down pedestrians in their cars? do all husbands that drink beer beat their wives? hell no. some do. but those are bad people regardless! if a guy beats his girlfriend when hes drunk and tells her the next day that it was the liquor that man is a LIAR. news flash i drink and smoke weed on a regular BASIS and because i do it properly the only thing harmful it does to me is the occasional hangover. people who abuse alcohol have psychological issues already. i smoke weed,my friends smoke weed, my family smokes weed and none of them have died due to drugs!

oh its a GATEWAY drug and smoking weed leads to coke, which leads to heroine, which leads to acid which leads to eating your college buddies and then you'll go to hell! OH NO!!! keep mentioning slippery slopes like that and you might as well blow up our planet to put every human being out of its misery. i wont try to stop you.

so... anything that harms your body is bad eh? you type that? did you know typing leads to bad hand cramps? that monitors ruin your eye sight? sun causes cancer? air puts pollutants in your body? pop damages your teeth? red meat causes heart problems? religious fanaticism leads to the death of witches? scratching causes cell damage? microwaves give off radiation? if your born you'll die? EVERYTHING we do has SOME negative effect.

now as to why guns and rocket launchers aren't a good analogy, see i know what your trying to say. "rockets hurt. but guns and rockets hurt worse." not true. if you had to use a weapon but the only legal one was a rocket launcher what would you use? if your a good citizen you'd pick up that launcher with PRIDE, even though when you shoot that house invader you take out everything on your corner too but hey thats the law. now introduce the gat, home invader comes in and you now have two choices GUN, or ROCKET. what would you use? GUN for most of us cause the rocket is too excessive which leads to less damage than before. now OF COURSE there will be that idiot or two who decide ROCKET cause its BETTER and blow up your street corner but hey cant punish everyone for that.

your telling me that because of some idiots i should have to risk going to jail to get my ganja on? no screw that worst thing ive ever heard of. next thing you'll try to tell me is P2p programs should be outlawed cause of pirating

It seems as though you are purposely trying not to understand what I'm saying or you're not reading my post entirely.
Please re-read my posts for you have missed every single point I've tried to make. If you're disagreeing with your own ideology then you've got some psychological problems.

Legalized (to folks 21 and over):

~Getting out of hand; ppl will smoke it too much to the point where they pretty much become veggies to weed and lose control over themselves



Kept Illegal:


~Children don't get wasted
~Families don't get ruined
~A more stable situation



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these made me lol. im done arguing this for now....

Legalized (to folks 21 and over):

~Getting out of hand; ppl will smoke it too much to the point where they pretty much become veggies to weed and lose control over themselves



Kept Illegal:


~Children don't get wasted
~Families don't get ruined
~A more stable situation



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these made me lol. im done arguing this for now....

I f you disagree with the red then you're clueless, the other ones are debatable

Legalized (to folks 21 and over):

~Getting out of hand; ppl will smoke it too much to the point where they pretty much become veggies to weed and lose control over themselves



Kept Illegal:


~Children don't get wasted
~Families don't get ruined
~A more stable situation



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these made me lol. im done arguing this for now....

I f you disagree with the red then you're clueless, the other ones are debatable

oh i actually agree with that, but the rest made me lol

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So, who here thinks that the legalization of Marijuana will cause deaths of innocent people?