Official Religion Debate Thread

[DarkPacMan77]

True enough, i just look at it as...for the people who follow their beliefs very closely and turn to it in times of crisis, it's the only thing that really keep them grounded. If it wasn't there, where would they turn to?

In my ideal world... preferably reality.

-DarkPacMan77-

I found something in "Information Week"

Apparently the chip is in a bracelet that is worn by the child on the ankle. It is intended to prevent unauthorized abductions of infants in nurseries.

That bugs me, I cannot find it. I might come across it at some point.

Is this it?

http://www.verichipcorp.com/content/sol ... protection

For some reason that is a blank page for me, but no I would remember the website that the article came from. It was some random news site.

when the world is coming to an end i wont be hiding in a church or running wild in panic. my family will be the one realizing no one is guarding the car dealerships, liquor stores or best buys. im going out with a girl on one arm fireworks in the other and a really REALLY big bag of weed.

You're not suppose to hide in a church lol.

I'm not activein this topic but I decided to throw down my opinion:

Religion is simply a method to control society. The Bible is a fantasy fiction book. You can say that the events happen, but you really don't know, because you weren't there. It's a remnant of an old society that has no relevance to life anymore. There really isn't even a debate. It's either you believe this malarchy or you don't.

Having your own spiritual ideas is respectable, but being brainwashed by religion and allowing it to control what you do in life... that just shows you are a weak minded fool that has no capacity to think for yourself or construct any logical theories about life and philosophy.

It's either that, or people are so stubborn that they won't accept anything,

It's either that, or people are so stubborn that they won't accept anything,

If you had your way what would people accept?

that the bible at BEST is just a moral story book. not something to base hardcore beliefs on because its too old to apply. what happened in the bible couldnt of happened EXACTLY like its written. so its flawed logically that cant be taken as the voice of god. was jesus born in a cave or a manger? bible has actually 3 stories about how jesus was born. you'd THINK that the people who followed jesus close enough to write his story down would know where he was BORN. which leads me to my next point did jesus exist at ALL? doubtful. maybe a man named jesus. thats a big MAYBE but his apostles were dumb as SH*T if they couldnt even agree on when he was born

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I have tried to stay out of this topic, and really only read it to make sure rules aren't being broken. Seems like if someone with a different view then you guys post, then immediately arguing pursues, and everyone starts calling everyone stupid.

But I just don't think that people should believe (I don't really know how to put this into words), but like believe you can control your own life. Like saying that Christians have to depend on God because they are self sufficient just sounds extremely egotistical to me. I mean really, you cannot really control anything in this world. You have no say so what so ever in when you live or die. You can not control anything in this world. Global warming is a hoax. The best humans could do is blow each other up with nuclear warfare, and even then eventually, according to science's perspective, lifeforms would just adapt and start living all over again. I mean, what I'm really just trying to say is you can not control the world. But yea that's just my opinion, none of us were alive back then so really none of us even know if it is true or not, we can only have opinions.

Also, from what I have noticed, you guys sure are disrespectful. That's just an observation that I made, your not acting very mature. I mean saying the bible is fiction, is like saying some far off planet that no one can see yet you all believe in is fake. Everyone believes plenty of things that they read, such as about stars or what not far off in space. One of the only sources you have is NASA, and what if they were not telling the truth about any of it? Were not the only ones who can use photoshop.

Yea the biggest point I've heard made against people who believe in a God is because they NEED to, and without that belief they would go crazy or something stupid like that. And that some people are so dependent that they need something to believe in.
That isn't a very rational statement, you have no idea. That's like saying that all people who believe in the idea that all men are created equal need it when say you believe all men aren't created evil. That is just your opinion but not a very logical one, just a statement you like to make because it makes you look cool cuz you are SO independent and you can take care of your self and you don't need ANYBODY. That is just the personality of someone with social issues.

But I do believe the gov't uses religion as a control device because it can keep people in order because they actually have a moral code if they truly believe.

And what difference does it make if the disciples don't know where Jesus was born?
You don't just go up to someone and ask where they were born. You probably don't know which hospital your best friend was born but it doesn't make you stupid.

This is not about name calling.

The reason I weigh in on this topic is because I know people are taught to believe in god and are rarely given any choice in the matter.

I believe that the purpose of this thread is to discuss various beliefs and to show that there are alternative beliefs.

This is important especially for those that have been taught the "fire and brimstone" doctrine. Millions of people are told this is how the world works and it is based from teachings that are thousands of years old. The computer age can not run off of bronze or iron age philosophies.

I met a lady yesterday that was told that in the bible it is written that the yellow man would inherit the earth.

It is this sort of religious teaching that borders on hate and needs to end.

It is wrong to use god to justify everything you do.

If you want to go to church and do all that that is your choice just like no one is making you read this but, if you have no choice and don't know any different and want to this is why this thread is here.

OH and the name calling is against the rules somewhere I am sure.

I have tried to stay out of this topic, and really only read it to make sure rules aren't being broken. Seems like if someone with a different view then you guys post, then immediately arguing pursues, and everyone starts calling everyone stupid.

This is a debate, is it not? We make constructive arguments.

But I just don't think that people should believe (I don't really know how to put this into words), but like believe you can control your own life. Like saying that Christians have to depend on God because they are self sufficient just sounds extremely egotistical to me. I mean really, you cannot really control anything in this world. You have no say so what so ever in when you live or die. You can not control anything in this world. Global warming is a hoax. The best humans could do is blow each other up with nuclear warfare, and even then eventually, according to science's perspective, lifeforms would just adapt and start living all over again. I mean, what I'm really just trying to say is you can not control the world. But yea that's just my opinion, none of us were alive back then so really none of us even know if it is true or not, we can only have opinions.

I control my own actions so therefore I control my life. I have free will

Since we don't know if it is true or not, why waste our lives caring about it. It is an ancient text that has no modern application to society.

Also, is "you can't control the world" relevant to the topic? I don't see it in your writing. Honestly you are kind of off on a rant...

Also, from what I have noticed, you guys sure are disrespectful. That's just an observation that I made, your not acting very mature. I mean saying the bible is fiction, is like saying some far off planet that no one can see yet you all believe in is fake. Everyone believes plenty of things that they read, such as about stars or what not far off in space. One of the only sources you have is NASA, and what if they were not telling the truth about any of it? Were not the only ones who can use photoshop.

I don't believe I am being disrespectful, but critical, which is the purpose of this debate.

The planets could be fake. We mustn't believe everything we are told. However, there is data collected by satellites that suggest they do in fact exist at the present time. The bible is a story of events that may have happened in the past, we have no way to prove that it is real. The planets, on the other hand, can be measured and detected using science. NASA's website is full of interesting information regarding this: http://kepler.nasa.gov/sci/capabilities.html

oh i believe calling the bible a fictional story isn't insulting at all. in fact religion isnt based on FACT at all now is it? or atleast only very LOOSELY BASED on it. which would technically be realistic fiction or a story based on POSSIBLY true events. except... wait the bible isn't all that realistic in the first place is it? so the bible is LOOSELY BASED on EVENTS that MIGHT have happened except LIKELY didn't. so fiction.

as for whether or not the cave manger thing is RELEVANT i indeed think its VERY relevant. cause SOMEONE is either making sh*t up OR someone is lying. i think a little of both. the way i see if these guys didn't know where jesus was born then well.... MAYBE THEY SHOULD'NT HAVE MADE IT UP LIKE THEY DID?!?! and BADLY they couldn't even lie WELL enough to check what the other guys were writing!

greatest story ever told? no lamest fiction i've ever READ and ive read harry potter

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Honestly, I was on a rant. A rant about something that pertained to this topic, that was in reply to another post about basically the same thing. As for following rules, well I'm definitely not the one who should reread the rules. But what I was trying to say is you can make constructive arguments without being obnoxious about it, typing in all caps, calling someone names , etc. My post wasn't meant for you to dissect and try to prove wrong with opinions either.

The point about "we don't know if it is true or not" was meant basically to say that since no one knows, how are you going to tell me that my beliefs aren't real? I think we can all agree that the bible teaches some good morals, so therefore I would rather live my life as a life I would consider to be "a good life" and go to heaven, then take the chance of going to hell. And even if I wasn't a Christian, then I would still live by the morals I have now so I mean I'm not loosing anything...

That's just my opinion, you can dissect it and try to prove me wrong all you want I don't really care.

The planet thing, I think that is the same thing as the bible. You still have faith that they are real. It being present time doesn't have anything to do with the point I am trying to make. The bible was written and you have to have faith that the majority of it is true, same as the planets, you just believe whatever someone tells you and shows you pretty charts or graphs and believe it is real. I'm sure there is as many Christians in the world as there are scientists who can actually prove planet "xyz" is real. By planet xyz, I mean any planet that you can't see in a telescope at any given time.