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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:11 pm

that shadox, is only in unison with the penny trick, which rarely stays or eve works at all. it bends the components *penny trick) and the arctic silver is heat compound.

the oven acts as a solder reflower. im serious, it is definitely something to try.
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:49 pm

airplanes18 wrote:the oven acts as a solder reflower. im serious, it is definitely something to try.


It will also melt the rest of the Xbox...
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:51 pm

BKFraiders7 wrote:
airplanes18 wrote:the oven acts as a solder reflower. im serious, it is definitely something to try.


It will also melt the rest of the Xbox...


not if you only keep it in there for 17.8946 seconds precisely. :roll:
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:24 pm

too many different ovens. too many variables. too many bad things can happen.

artic silver is a thermal paste.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:07 am

airplanes18 wrote:that shadox, is only in unison with the penny trick, which rarely stays or eve works at all. it bends the components *penny trick) and the arctic silver is heat compound.

the oven acts as a solder reflower. im serious, it is definitely something to try.


If you're absolutely desperate DPM and don't care what happens to your xbox, you can try airplanes theory because it is technically what a reflow station does with the exception that it overheats the entire mobo instead of just the problem area. Otherwise, you need a reflow work station to perform this correctly. You're also correct that the arctic silver is a heat compound, its used on top of the processors so that the heatsinks can draw heat away from the processor chips.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:59 am

I feel very unsure of repairing an Xbox 360 when the two most acknowledged methods of repair include ovens and pennies lol. Doesn't seem like that would "solve" error E 65 or w/e it is... idk... hell we hacked a PSP with its own battery so I guess anything is possible... shoot.

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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:40 am

Just resodder it.

I'm actually experienced with soddering being as me and my dad fix car amps all the time.
Honestly I don't know like what you'd have to resodder or anything like that, but If i were you, I'd look it up.

Get some Sodder Wick, to remove the original sodder of the GPU (Or wtf ever causes it) then resodder.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:10 am

Ok I'm going to go ahead and say the only two real methods is to either use a reflow workstation to properly reflow the solder (which isn't even possible the way puncharger is talking about, and definitely not in an oven, and isn't really permanent without a xclamp fix) and/or taking out the xclamps and replacing it with screws & in some cases using team hybrid's advanced kit which adds shims around the gpu/cpu and a aluminum plate under the motherboard with two foam pads for counter pressure against the heatsinks on the gpu/cpu.

That is how you would ideally fix the RROD since the problem in the very beginning was bad solder joints & the xclamps provided a very uneven surface that allowed the motherboard to flex when it got hot. So of course the only way to fix it is to provide a perfectly flat surface so that the gpu/cpu cannot become unsoldered from the board and the board won't flex. Also a problem with the first non-hdmi xbox was that the two middle standoff's were slightly higher then the rest of the metal case so that proved to bend the motherboard up in the middle. When you doing the xclamp replacement you need to grind those two standoffs down to 3mm, and you need to tighten the screws and leave the xbox on for about 10-15 minutes to sort've "reflow" the gpu and then let it sit for the solder to harden.

Leaving your xbox in the oven or cramming pennies under the mobo could possible fix it, but I wouldn't do it for the sake of reliability and to prevent further damage to your xbox >.<
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:29 am

Grats on knowing how to take an xbox apart.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:12 pm

BuyableTurtle wrote:Just resodder it.

I'm actually experienced with soddering being as me and my dad fix car amps all the time.
Honestly I don't know like what you'd have to resodder or anything like that, but If i were you, I'd look it up.

Get some Sodder Wick, to remove the original sodder of the GPU (Or wtf ever causes it) then resodder.



you cant reach the solder, so that isnt an option
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:45 pm

BuyableTurtle wrote:Grats on knowing how to take an xbox apart.

What?
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:05 pm

I said I don't know anything about Xbox but I'm experienced with actual soddering.

I presented a potential fix, not knowing what I was talking about.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:33 pm

ace_012 wrote:So of course the only way to fix it is to provide a perfectly flat surface so that the gpu/cpu cannot become unsoldered from the board and the board won't flex. Also a problem with the first non-hdmi xbox was that the two middle standoff's were slightly higher then the rest of the metal case so that proved to bend the motherboard up in the middle.


So basically RROD is caused from heat cycles that cause the board to flex in and out and eventually make the CPU or the GPU come "unpinned in" so it gives an error for it? So the pennies stuff is for putting more pressure from the heatsink to the CPU or GPU to keep it in place? lol

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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:21 pm

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ace_012 wrote:So of course the only way to fix it is to provide a perfectly flat surface so that the gpu/cpu cannot become unsoldered from the board and the board won't flex. Also a problem with the first non-hdmi xbox was that the two middle standoff's were slightly higher then the rest of the metal case so that proved to bend the motherboard up in the middle.


So basically RROD is caused from heat cycles that cause the board to flex in and out and eventually make the CPU or the GPU come "unpinned in" so it gives an error for it? So the pennies stuff is for putting more pressure from the heatsink to the CPU or GPU to keep it in place? lol

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Yur sir, are correct. You get a cookie! Of course the standoffs and such are uneven to begin with, and the pressure from the xclamps help bend the mobo so yea. Flexes the board so much that the chips lift right off the motherboard. The sad thing is M$ obviously knew about it based upon the changes you can see between motherboard revisions, and most obviously the epoxy they started using to hold the chips down onto the motherboard lol.
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Post Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:39 pm

Why didn't you just look at the video tutorials I sent you?
It's helped lots of people on youtube apparently.
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