Airport Security Gone To Far

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... -porn-laws

Interesting. Wonder if news like this will be posted in NA.

[crait]

Think of the new scanners as a faster pat down. They do not detect anything. All they do is basically see through clothing. You could have C4 hidden up your a** and no one would be the wiser (unless it's metallic, don't know to be honest). This will allow detection of anything strapped to the outside of the body. And the images do get MUCH more detailed than what crait showed.

Actually, that's only in a few airports in America and it was first used in Pheonix. Currently, that's the best it can do and it isn't used widely.
And I never posted images. I think you're talking about Que. I said that they could possibly use the technology that they use to check bags that is somewhat hued.

The scanners are a big inconvenience that actually accomplish little.

How would you like to keep the airways secure?

How would you like to keep the airways secure?

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected?

I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.

As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.--Abraham Lincoln in an address to the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

[crait]

How would you like to keep the airways secure?

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected?

I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.

As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.--Abraham Lincoln in an address to the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

You just said a lot of random crap.
What should we do, in your honest opinion, to keep people from trying to blow up our planes? (Regardless of what country they are from or who it is.)

None of it was crap. Those were the words of the 16th president. Read it again and see how it applies today.

Arabic speakers forgive me for what follows, I only know a few words.

There is no such international organization known as Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda means "the base" in Arabic. You have to admit that is a pretty dorky name for an organization bent on taking down the most powerful nation on Earth especially if they are supposed Islamic radicals. The truth is that you have only to add one word to completely change the meaning of "the base" that word is "malomat" which means DATA so al qaeda malomat means the base data or the data base more or less.

When you lean that Al-Qaeda is just a list of the names of CIA trained individuals it all makes sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGXVic15ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNsOmWhr2cg
I can't tell or show you everything I know, you have to find it for yourself. The good news is that it's all out there if you look.

So, if you want to make the skies over America safe you will need to get at the CIA, because the CIA along with other international agencies such as Mossad and ISI are the real terrorist.

[crait]

Que, I'm asking you, what if your neighbor told you he was going to blow up a plane because he wanted to hurt people.. What if some American wanted to hurt people like that? Not Al-Queda. What if your neighbor was going to bring a bomb with him? How should the airport check people to make sure people like him don't get through?
You're way into the CIA this and the CIA that. It has nothing to do with Al-Queda because anyone can be a terrorist and anyone can be a suicide bomber and anyone can be a killer.

For the third post, I ask you: What should we do, in your honest opinion, to keep people from trying to blow up our planes?

[DarkPacMan77]

What Q is trying to say is that there is a time and place to be scared. I disagree that "anyone could be a terrorist". I think that statement in itself is flawed entirely. Before 9/11, when was the phrase "anyone can be a terrorist" ever used? It virtually wasn't considered much at all. Scare propaganda makes you think like that.

There are far better ways of detecting fumes, vapors or residues from explosives than spying through peoples clothes... But if you'd like to willingly allow yourself to be scared of what I'd say is harmless... Things can always be snuck around regardless of how much security you have. The good news is that you can still opt to have a stranger fondle you instead of going through the scanners in most places I hear.

-DarkPacMan77-

Dude, using the method I outlined, you can see everything it's just not in flesh color. For instance, say you wanted to check out a girl's rack. You can. You can see the definition of her breasts and even her nipples using those things.

-DarkPacMan77-

Great, now every young teenage boy that visits this forum is going to google PF lens now dpm, thanks

Man he was just telling how to get to know the inside of a girl! "the inside"... lol..

Que, I'm asking you, what if your neighbor told you he was going to blow up a plane because he wanted to hurt people.. What if some American wanted to hurt people like that? Not Al-Queda. What if your neighbor was going to bring a bomb with him? How should the airport check people to make sure people like him don't get through?
You're way into the CIA this and the CIA that. It has nothing to do with Al-Queda because anyone can be a terrorist and anyone can be a suicide bomber and anyone can be a killer.

For the third post, I ask you: What should we do, in your honest opinion, to keep people from trying to blow up our planes?

I have told you, everyday people don't try to blow up planes. I showed you some evidence that they had help from state sponsors. I think DPM said it best, people are being conditioned to fear and suspect one another and all for false reasons.

Everyday people don't save up hundreds of thousands of dollars and plan and do dry runs to cause harm. Your neighbors if they are planning something, are usually backed by some state sponsor because only state sponsors have the power to cause authority to look the other way in times of adversity. It is always after the fact when you learn that this or that agency had the info and did nothing. Despite this, no one gets fired and more often than not the people that allow it to happen get promotions for their perceived incompetence.

Do you think that "bad guys" get lucky enough to cause a nations "security" structure to ignore them? Every major incident in living memory has been allowed to happen from the recent Dec 25 attempt to 9/11 to Oklahoma City even back to the Kennedy assassination. It was all allowed.

The end result is that people constantly eye each other with suspicion while ignoring the real threat. Read your history and you will see the same thing happened in cold war Russia and Nazi Germany.

All I ever ask is that you do some research on your own and read for yourself.

[crait]

I have told you, everyday people don't try to blow up planes. I showed you some evidence that they had help from state sponsors. I think DPM said it best, people are being conditioned to fear and suspect one another and all for false reasons.

Hm. You're saying that anytime someone is going to bomb a plane, the government is going to be behind it? Any time any bombing takes place, the government is behind it? Anytime any bombs or attacks occur, the government is behind it? I seem to remember many, many times Americans have hurt others because they want to kill. (One could argue that their real motive lay deep within their severely shrunken amygdala.)
Tell me, DPM, you said that there's better methods of screening people... So, please tell me them. It's all I wanted Que to do.

[BKFraiders7]

I want to hear this genius method you and Que have come up with as well.

Idk. I guess there is good people in this world that dont want to kill, steal, or make a profit. And I believe SOME of our government is like that. Im not saying our government is perfect-far from- but I think its better than any other government out there.

[DarkPacMan77]

Q and I aren't coming up with anything that hasn't already been said by other "more important" people.

-DarkPacMan77-

[crait]

I still don't quite understand your answer...

crait: What should we do to make it safer?
Que/DPM: We know how but it doesn't need to be safer so we won't elaborate.

You're saying that anytime someone is going to bomb a plane, the government is going to be behind it? Any time any bombing takes place, the government is behind it? Anytime any bombs or attacks occur, the government is behind it?

If this last occurrence is not the case it would be the exception and not the norm. Research 7/7sometime. Here is another example watch this

Tim Mcveigh was executed for detonating 1200 pounds of fertilizer in front of a federal building in Oklahoma.

#1 Do you have any idea how much money 1200 pounds of fertilizer would cost? How does trailer trash come up with all that fertilizer? He stole it? No one reported the theft so it must have been paid for by someone.

#2 Here is a film with news clips and explosives experts describing the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk&feature=player_embedded

#3 Local news mentioned 3 bombs, not just one. The other bombs inside the building were larger than the first. How did they get there?

Oh and finally, how come the tapes of the truck blowing up haven't been made public? What do they have to do with national security? We have tapes of planes hitting the WTC. We can see Kennedy getting his brains splattered everywhere but we can't see the tapes showing what really happened 10+ years ago in Oklahoma because of national security?

If the "official" story were true you would think that the tapes would have been released corroborating the official account but that isn't what happened. Sound familiar? Have you ever seen the footage of a plane hitting the pentagon? Me either.

I still don't quite understand your answer...

I have told and now shown you that if you want to make it safer you have to route those within the government responsible and hold them to account. Not everyone in the government is responsible or bad just a hand full at the top.

[DarkPacMan77]

Our solution is to try and help you realize what the problem was from the very beginning - that terrorists shouldn't have ever been feared in the first place and that these measures are too harsh and unnecessary to begin with. What happens at airport security tends to become acceptable in other places within a short time. This rapid change of policy which reroutes our rights as citizens of the United States into being peons is made acceptable by the majority of those who allow themselves to accept the media being fed to them.

Let's be blunt. We, Americans and abroad, became worried about terrorists after 9/11. I hate to admit it but that's how it is. General Clark was aware of what the agenda was regarding the middle east in 1991 officially by higher ranking people who trusted him and watched it come to fruition exactly as it was mentioned to him - as if "in a time warp", he said.

Now take that statement and slam it together with the fact that that Bin Laden never called himself or any group he affiliated himself with as Al Qaida until after 9/11 - when the US media was repeating it over and over... after being told so by the CIA.

It's all 9/11 mumbo jumbo - stuff that almost nobody researches into enough.

-DarkPacMan77-