Official Religion Debate Thread

thats the beauty of free will we have the ability to change prophecy.

but i know you like BIg actual answers so i will rsearch lol. but sometimes not everything has to be logical.

[Kanadier]

He could easily control us, he chooses to give us the freedom to decide our path however.

He could easily control us, he chooses to give us the freedom to decide our path however.

and yet he knows how it all will end. how you do, what choices you made. all of it. so do we really have any control if he knows already? yes, but he knows what we choose ahead of time, and leaves us chances to be saved.


not to be all up on DPM or nothin, but didnt he say he goes to a church? thats a BIG fat chance right there. he's trying to tell you that "DPM! heres another chance! are you willing to take it?"

where as satan goes. "no dont do that! what a bunch of morons! dont they look stupid! they believe in the nonexistant!"


liar

He could easily control us, he chooses to give us the freedom to decide our path however.

and yet he knows how it all will end. how you do, what choices you made. all of it. so do we really have any control if he knows already? yes, but he knows what we choose ahead of time, and leaves us chances to be saved.

OK here it is again for the people in the back...

If everything you could possibly do is predetermined or known then it is destiny.

Destiny can not exist if you have free will because free will would ruin the outcome thus prophecy can not exist and if there is no destiny then god can not know how it all ends.

Make sense?

Maybe this thing about god knowing everything is made up by man. After all Genesis 3:8 reads:
"Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" " (God was looking for them.)

If god knows everything I would think he would have nailed eve as soon as she took her first bite or maybe he would have nailed Adam before he finished swallowing his bite or maybe he could have turned Eve into a pillar of salt immediately for disobeying god just to drive it home for Adam.

But that isn't what happened.

There are only two people in the garden and god could not find them (big garden?) Then god acts pretty pissed (Surprised?)when he finds out why Adam and eve were hiding.

Like we said FREE WILL. God gave adamn and eve free will. He knew where they were he made them. He asked them cuz he wanted to see how they would react.

its like someone saying something to you and you know what they said but you just ask "WHAt did you say" you already know you just want the confirmation. He knew what they were doing all along. he wanted to see if they could make the right choice. FREE WILL

Like we said FREE WILL. God gave adamn and eve free will. He knew where they were he made them. He asked them cuz he wanted to see how they would react.

OK I THINK I GOT IT...
So god knew they would eat the fruit but did not know how Adam and Eve would react if he confronted them about it?

He wanted them to do the other option. the right thing. he knew it would happen, but he gave them the choice to do it. does that make sense? que, dont flip this on us to make us look stupid. -_-

God knew they would do it, but he didnt TELL them to do it. He knows it will happen, but he doesnt FORCE it to be done. make sense? did i word that right?

copy the whole post.

its like someone saying something to you and you know what they said but you just ask "WHAt did you say" you already know you just want the confirmation. He knew what they were doing all along. he wanted to see if they could make the right choice. FREE WILL

i know this has happened to you. i know someone has said something but you wanted to hear it again for confirmation. its the same thing.


I look at this topic abnd remember the Homosexualiy one also. and her is why.

you try to disprove Christianity so much you will search for hours. to prove a point. wen any of us said someting about how we dont believe in homosexuality we are judged for it because its offensive. now how can this topic go on wen members think some of this id disrespectful also but that one cant?


any way its like a parent asking the same thing to their kid to get there child to admint what they did althought the parent knows.

and here read this, you may like or not.

http://www.bibletoday.com/archive/proof_text.htm

[DarkPacMan77]

Well, Tyler, the reason that the conversation on gay marriage can continue is because it's controversial and sparks conversation. It's important to learn why people feel a certain way. For me, when it comes down the the nitty-gritty on being "for" or "against" gay marriage, I am "for" gay marriage.

Does that mean I want to marry another man? No.
Does that mean I encourage straight men to be gay? No.
Does that mean that I am against religious values for thinking this way? No...

Now, it may seem to be against Christianity to be "pro" gay marriage, but it is not against Christian values to accept that there are gay people being married lawfully... and I say so because nowhere in The Bible does it say that it is illegal for gay people to be married, so in my opinion, it makes it more unfaithful to the Christian faith to be prejudiced against another human being in that nature as opposed to respecting your fellow brother or sister for their decisions... even if that means making decisions you don't agree with. After all, is it not God that gave us free will (if you choose to look at it that way)?

With how many men and women being married traditionally who get married just for benefits or get married just for money or for lust or because they got too drunk in Vegas... I see no reason to deny someone who loves someone else the right to marry legally just because you disagree with it. Gay and lesbian couples might disagree with folks being married who get married just for the hell of it in Vegas but just because they disagree with it doesn't mean that it should be illegal - whether religiously-fueled or not, in my opinion.

-DarkPacMan77-

Well, Tyler, the reason that the conversation on gay marriage can continue is because it's controversial and sparks conversation. It's important to learn why people feel a certain way. For me, when it comes down the the nitty-gritty on being "for" or "against" gay marriage, I am "for" gay marriage.

Does that mean I want to marry another man? No.
Does that mean I encourage straight men to be gay? No.
Does that mean that I am against religious values for thinking this way? No...

Now, it may seem to be against Christianity to be "pro" gay marriage, but it is not against Christian values to accept that there are gay people being married lawfully... and I say so because nowhere in The Bible does it say that it is illegal for gay people to be married, so in my opinion, it makes it more unfaithful to the Christian faith to be prejudiced against another human being in that nature as opposed to respecting your fellow brother or sister for their decisions... even if that means making decisions you don't agree with. After all, is it not God that gave us free will (if you choose to look at it that way)?

With how many men and women being married traditionally who get married just for benefits or get married just for money or for lust or because they got too drunk in Vegas... I see no reason to deny someone who loves someone else the right to marry legally just because you disagree with it. Gay and lesbian couples might disagree with folks being married who get married just for the hell of it in Vegas but just because they disagree with it doesn't mean that it should be illegal - whether religiously-fueled or not, in my opinion.

-DarkPacMan77-

Touche

I hope I am not being disrespectful. This is a debate and it would not be much of one if we agreed on everything.

All I want to do is to get people thinking. I don't care if you believe in Jesus at the end of the day or whatever god.

So many people just go along with what they hear without checking anything at all(not just in religion). If I got anyone to pick up a bible and verify something then my job is done!

However, What if something comes out here that you may not have realized? This all started (Well recently) with me noticing parallels with the bible and the zodiac something expressively forbidden? I don't know what it is all about and most of the responses here dismiss it all together.

It's just information. I ask the questions you may not have thought of or were afraid to ask.

I will provide one piece of what I have found each month or as long as the thread lives to share what I have found with you. Again, it's just information.

At the end of the day you decide what it means to you.

That is all.

*edit*

The debate isn't over yet!

Lol god i love this place. =)

Did you look at the link i provided? JW

I knew of most of it already.

Those verses have been used to "prove" the existence of god but all they prove is that someone knew of it and wrote it down. Read this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city.html They just found this no one knew of it until modern times.

Modern man is arrogant enough to believe that he is the height of his species. This isn't true. There was lots of knowledge that ancient man knew and was lost to time for some reason. ie:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

Of course none of my examples disprove the existence of god but hopefully they convince your that ancient man knew more than we give credit for.

im homophobic, i think its wrong, but i don't see why two people who love each other cannot marry when 2 people who hate each other are aloud too.

im homophobic, i think its wrong, but i don't see why two people who love each other cannot marry when 2 people who hate each other are aloud too.

i didnt want to turn this into a HS debate that other thread if it opens again.