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Do you like your government?

Yes I live in a near Utopian society!
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No I feel disenfranchised.
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I don't care I do what I want.
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Post Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:06 am

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AdventWolf wrote:
farquezy wrote:because rich people are mostly always corrupt
LOL WHAT? where the hell did you hear that and do you have anything to back that up? Perhaps yea, congressmen and government officials. And the people that send bribes to these people, but seriously what? And 'how' are they corrupt, what do they do?
well how much has the owner of wal-mart given to charity, or mcdonals owner(they host it but only give peoples money not their own).

but money makes people all thing for themselves i see my friend that his dad died and he got so much money now he is such an A@$hole and only thinks for himself and thinks since he rich he is the @$%@, and we used to be such good friends i dont know what happened to him

but not always im jsut saying


Your using the word currupt too losely, do you even fully understand what it means?
Anyways, not giving To charity and Being an donkey's rear end and thinking for yourself doesn't mean your corrupt, You Cretin.

People Who are rich are either born into a rich family or create their own sucess,
Your just jealous so you try to insult them.

"but money makes people all thing for themselves"
Your generalising here so obviously your thinking based on what you've been told by other people.

Flies puke up their stomachs onto their food and eat it again.

Stuff Like that is all just rumours made up by some Idiot who tried to impress someone by attempting to be knowledgeful.

But really Flies don't vomit up their insides onto their food, they eat it normally like most insects.
Bacterium excrete enzymes onto their "food" Then re-absorb it.
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Post Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:35 pm

Exactly, just biased-ness. Thanks
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:08 pm

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farquezy wrote:hopefully obama will change things!!!
or hillary clintion :)


Hillary should not even be running because of the Whitewater controversy. She and Bill might have gone to prison over that but the files that would have been used as evidence disappeared for 2 years, exactly the amount of time that it takes for the statute of limitations to take effect. Public sympathy got her a senate seat; I hope the same does not get her back in the White House.

I am also not impressed at how she cried for loosing New Hampshire either. I do not want a crybaby president to represent my country when things do not go as planned.

There are several things wrong with the government in America and I would briefly touch on a few.

There are roughly 350 million Americans. Their opinions and views can not possibly be satisfied with 2 political parties.

Money drives everything. The Government seems to not serve the people but instead serves the special interests who can afford to purchase a voice.

The media is doing a disservice to the public by focusing on a candidates hairstyle religion or some other B.S. instead of what really matters.

For example:

More money was spent investigating Bill Clinton's Presidential Blow Job than was spent investigating Chandra Levy, September 11, or why Dick Cheney is wealthier now as Vice president of the country than he was as CEO of Halliburton.

The government is not completely at fault though. There is a large section of the population that feels the government should act like a second set of parents taking care of its children. I do not think that anyone that signed The Constitution had that in mind, in fact that is precisely what they wanted to get away from that and to avoid political factions. What happened?

Please google or ask about anything here you may not understand. It's a start. You can educate yourself better than the government ever could.

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Just wanted to quote this for the Truth Factor here. :)


AS for all the business about the rich, well, not all of them are bad people. But they are part of the problem in this country. Corporations to be more specific. So many laws are tailored to give the rich and corporations an advantage. Racism, sexism, and a lot of other "isms" are basically disguised classism designed to turn the rest of us against each other while the rich run off with all the money. We're busy arguing about what color skin the other guy has and we fail to notice that our money's being stolen from us.

Yeah. some of them worked hard to get where they are, but they're in the minority. Many of them were born into it or inherited positions of power at major companies that made them wealthy beyond compare. Did you know there are over 400 billionaires in the United States? Let me type that again, 400 BILLIONAIRES! Not millionaires, BILLIONAIRES. That's more than double the country with the next most amount which is Germany clocking in at 55 billionaires.

You ever wonder how exactly 415 people in the US got that much wealth? How can we have poverty? How can we have people without medical insurance? How can we have homeless when we have more billionaires than the rest of the industrialized world COMBINED?
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:23 pm

Yea I don't understand racism, i guess someone has a bad experience with one person and stereotypes everyone else like them and hates all of those people. Hate it when that happens >_< People that do LOVE the government I guess want the government to control our lives and make all of our decisions and when something goes wrong or happens to them, they blame it on the government when they are at fault and have too much stupidity.
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:51 pm

the government wnats to take controll of ur lives and they get more and more each day
i herd u have to give a blood b4 u give birth
they trien do pass a law sayen u have to take parenting classes b4 u get pregnet
u cant cant even to disaplen ur child with out the government thinken it child abuse
the government even hiden stuff rom us look at area-51 "tresspser mite b shoot" i saw a sign that says that once (i also spend the night there once)
the government letting our ppl die bcuz they want to establish a government in iraq enven the ppl dont want them there how can the government say "it for there good" how can it b 4 there good even when they dont want us there
i say pull them out if there no thret to the US dont go there let them kill each other not our problem(srry if that offends ne1)
there relly no freedom of speech
theres hings u cant say like if u with out the goverment thinken its a thret
i even herd they want to make school a year long i get about 1month off (all thats what it say in alaska)
theres more but i cant say it too bad lol (lot of bad words that the site will not like lol)
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:07 pm

gman wrote:the government wnats to take controll of ur lives and they get more and more each day
i herd u have to give a blood b4 u give birth
they trien do pass a law sayen u have to take parenting classes b4 u get pregnet
u cant cant even to disaplen ur child with out the government thinken it child abuse
the government even hiden stuff rom us look at area-51 "tresspser mite b shoot" i saw a sign that says that once (i also spend the night there once)
the government letting our ppl die bcuz they want to establish a government in iraq enven the ppl dont want them there how can the government say "it for there good" how can it b 4 there good even when they dont want us there
i say pull them out if there no thret to the US dont go there let them kill each other not our problem(srry if that offends ne1)
there relly no freedom of speech
theres hings u cant say like if u with out the goverment thinken its a thret
i even herd they want to make school a year long i get about 1month off (all thats what it say in alaska)
theres more but i cant say it too bad lol (lot of bad words that the site will not like lol)


That sign was probably made up :P
I hate it that you can't DISCIPLINE a child without it being called "abuse" I mean thats the reason why kids are so RuDe now a-days, the upcoming generation is a bunch of brats that never got taught a lesson.
One of the reasons we are in Iraq is to prevent the battle from coming over to our home turf. We want to keep the battle over there, they are getting stronger and smarter and its best to get rid of the terrorists we can. However one of the main reasons we are over there is for their oil.. we are way too dependent on oil and it makes us look weak to the rest of the world. Yea freedom of speech.. no one can say anything without it being "racist" or "sexist" or "some other 'ist'" Drives me crazy because people out there all thinking the government is out to get them and they are being discriminated and deserve a hand out.
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 pm

I agree with what was stated: modern racism stems from categorizing people into classes according to income.

With that said the government does not make things easier when it uses race to help tally its statistical data.

I think that if it is reported that Blacks consistently score lower than this group or that Hispanics have more teen pregnancies than that group that it tends to skew public opinions of that group. It is these idiotic government statistics that encourage negative stereotyping.

The South is still set in its ole ways in many places. http://www.whileseated.org/photo/003244.shtml There is still a lot of classic racism in America and it is not just white on black unfortunately.

In order to change this I think adults need to teach their children to treat everyone with respect and equality and the government needs to stop categorizing citizen data by race and instead perhaps categorize its citizens by income and then do something other than raise minimum wage to "help".

Schools should make it a priority to teach children to read,speak and spell properly for starters. The government should leave it up to the teachers to teach the children and stay out of the classroom for the most part. Universities should lower tuition instead of raising it so high that only the wealthy and the poor (with government assistance)can get an education.

This is just a start I am sure there is more that can be done but I do not want this post to get too long or no one will read it.
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:43 pm

Haha yea, well i read it. Those statistics that are made need to stop! It simply encourages simple minded people to stereo type that race and it just creates haters. It starts with the parents and then in the schools, because I think the kid (if they have been previously taught manners by their parents) would look up to their parents more and actually listen to it. But sadly it isn't that simple, there will probably most definitely always be racism and hatred. :(
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:17 pm

AdventWolf wrote:But sadly it isn't that simple, there will probably most definitely always be racism and hatred. :(


I disagree.

Children are not born haters they are taught to be haters just like they are taught to do math or to read. Once the teachers of ill will are no more maybe then will racism truly become a thing of the past.

The real problem is how do you fix it? Who will teach the parents how to raise a child? I do not think it should be the governments responsibility to do so.

So you see, just as much as the children need an education, so do some of the parents.
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:43 pm

I hate it that you can't DISCIPLINE a child without it being called "abuse" I mean thats the reason why kids are so RuDe now a-days, the upcoming generation is a bunch of brats that never got taught a lesson.
[/quote]ARE U SERIOUS??
what kind of animal would hit a child? my parents always abused me and hit me when i was a child and guess what, they almost got killed be one day i took a knife on them...
SO GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT WORK!!!

it was part of our culture in Iran though so whatever..

anywyas i mean how can u hit a child? i dont understand that and i know how it feel likes, its the most horrible thing ever.. i mean they beat me up for not saying hello and stuff like that...
child abuse is the worst thing and anyone who does is should BE HANGED!!!

kids dont know what they are doing ang hitting them wont help anything, even animals dont hit their children... i have never seen my uncles do bite do something bad to thier children so how do people do it?
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Post Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:47 pm

AdventWolf wrote:
gman wrote:the government wnats to take controll of ur lives and they get more and more each day
i herd u have to give a blood b4 u give birth
they trien do pass a law sayen u have to take parenting classes b4 u get pregnet
u cant cant even to disaplen ur child with out the government thinken it child abuse
the government even hiden stuff rom us look at area-51 "tresspser mite b shoot" i saw a sign that says that once (i also spend the night there once)
the government letting our ppl die bcuz they want to establish a government in iraq enven the ppl dont want them there how can the government say "it for there good" how can it b 4 there good even when they dont want us there
i say pull them out if there no thret to the US dont go there let them kill each other not our problem(srry if that offends ne1)
there relly no freedom of speech
theres hings u cant say like if u with out the goverment thinken its a thret
i even herd they want to make school a year long i get about 1month off (all thats what it say in alaska)
theres more but i cant say it too bad lol (lot of bad words that the site will not like lol)


That sign was probably made up :P
I hate it that you can't DISCIPLINE a child without it being called "abuse" I mean thats the reason why kids are so RuDe now a-days, the upcoming generation is a bunch of brats that never got taught a lesson.
One of the reasons we are in Iraq is to prevent the battle from coming over to our home turf. We want to keep the battle over there, they are getting stronger and smarter and its best to get rid of the terrorists we can. However one of the main reasons we are over there is for their oil.. we are way too dependent on oil and it makes us look weak to the rest of the world. Yea freedom of speech.. no one can say anything without it being "racist" or "sexist" or "some other 'ist'" Drives me crazy because people out there all thinking the government is out to get them and they are being discriminated and deserve a hand out.


we got the terrorists we will never get all of them
there will ALWAYS B terrorists out there
i read somewhere thats we got them and now we r tryen to make a gov. over there so they can b like us

and all the goverment wants is mony
they wast most of it and they want more
they made a man made lake in the back bhind the woods and no 1 can see it theres a sign that says
"ur tax money at work"
u CANT EVEN C THE LAKE FROM THE RODE u have to go in there to find it WTF is up with that?????
the pur red bricks on the crosswalk in the bad side of the cily and that didnt last long it all crusty n stuff

the teachers tell the kids that ur parents cant touch u of it child abuse and if they do tell some1
they what they say up here
the kids think they can do what ever they want and the parents let them


i bet yallz know what i think if the goverment lol
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Post Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:53 am

1. Obama will be the next president, if not for the simple fact that he will get (the most important vote) my vote, mark my words.

2. I don't think it's fair to relate racism or many other "isms" (as DoctaMario said) to the massive construct that we know as corporate greed, but racism especially. The white culture, for the most of the United States' history, has piggy-backed the black culture into poverty and despair, but there's a fine line separating a slave master and a CEO.

3. If you kill one terrorist that has 5 children, you may have made 5 more terrorists in the end. If you kill 5 innocent children, you may make even more terrorists in the end. Moral of the story: don't give people weapons, ammunition, or forceful and drastic cultural changes. Terrorists don't seem to enjoy eating at McDonalds Restaurants.

4. In the rare even that one of "my swimmers" takes hold and a develish semi-clone of myself is brought into this world, that child WILL be punished if it is out of line, and yes, by todays standards, it will be abuse. Moral of the story? - I turned out just fine. I was mowing my grandmother's lawn before I was in kindergarten and multiplying and doing long division before 1st grade. I also had an 8th grade/ 3rd month reading level in first grade as well and in second grade I was writing in full-blown (and fancy) cursive. Spanking isn't child abuse, it's a parenting tool, and if used correctly, child prodigies like myself can arrise. Not only that, but I was a very happy child. Later down the road, however, I learned that smoking pot, drinking, and fooling around with girls was much more fun and decided to stop working so hard to get A's in school. Foolish? - I say, you only live once.

5. Carry on debating in a respectful manner.

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Post Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:08 pm

DarkPacMan77 wrote:4. In the rare even that one of "my swimmers" takes hold and a develish semi-clone of myself is brought into this world, that child WILL be punished if it is out of line, and yes, by todays standards, it will be abuse. Moral of the story? - I turned out just fine. I was mowing my grandmother's lawn before I was in kindergarten and multiplying and doing long division before 1st grade. I also had an 8th grade/ 3rd month reading level in first grade as well and in second grade I was writing in full-blown (and fancy) cursive. Spanking isn't child abuse, it's a parenting tool, and if used correctly, child prodigies like myself can arrise. Not only that, but I was a very happy child. Later down the road, however, I learned that smoking pot, drinking, and fooling around with girls was much more fun and decided to stop working so hard to get A's in school. Foolish? - I say, you only live once.

5. Carry on debating in a respectful manner.

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lol u was a nerd haha but u know i smoke weed, sometimes and its really good im telling you, fooling around with girls and just having fun but at the same time i make good grades cuz jsut like you said u only got 1 life and i wanna be rich when i grow up even though wat im bein has nothing to do with reading and that stupid things...
but u gatta learn to balance ur friends and grades man
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Post Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:49 pm

DarkPacMan77 wrote:1. Obama will be the next president, if not for the simple fact that he will get (the most important vote) my vote, mark my words.
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Haha, I can't say I disagree. Hilary plays the woman card way too often, not the sign of a leader that will deal with real issues. And how about that Mitt Romney? All of his advertisments describe him on a personal level, not what he has and will do to improve America. I honestly don't care about him being pro-life, how will he handle the war if it's still on when he is inaugurated? What is his stance on Global climate change? Long story short, I don't like him. Too bad I can't vote.
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Post Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:37 pm

Don't count out Hillary yet, she has powerful friends.

She thinks she is already presidential:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/polit ... e_one.html
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